tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5463472772679876402.post3321979047927873525..comments2024-03-17T05:26:42.972-04:00Comments on Spencerblog: The Freeh Report and What It Leaves OutSpencerbloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09091827187116268547noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5463472772679876402.post-36218663336328013852012-07-19T16:17:17.898-04:002012-07-19T16:17:17.898-04:00i believe that i heard reported from the trial tha...i believe that i heard reported from the trial that a friend of McQueary testified to that fact that he was told by McQueary that he heard sounds coming from the shower and then seen Sandusky coming out of the shower with the boy. and didnt see anything that was going on in the shower. Would that explain why Mcqueary never went to the police and demanded an arrest. playing the situation over in my head and actually walking into the shower and seeing a boy being raped would cause me to try to knock out Sandusky and grab the boy and take him to saftey. i would think that a person who sees a boy being raped(if McQueary actrually seen it) would be way more culpable. another thing im trying to sort out is that according to the report that Sandusky was acutally questioned by police. also, the D.A had the mother called Sandusky and listened in on the conversation and decided that there wasnt enough evidence to prosecute. So im kinda thinking that if the D.A, the police, decided not to investigate more, and the boys mother(that ive heard of) not dmeand to the police and arrest be made, but yet it was others that are to be blamed for not doing enough? just some things to think about. i think Sandusky used who he was, A well respected individual who was founder of a chairty to help boys. i mean if most people from the PSU Community before all this were told that Sandusky was a pedophile, they would have told you no way in hell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5463472772679876402.post-76254043196169750222012-07-18T10:04:01.328-04:002012-07-18T10:04:01.328-04:00JoePa has pretty much been convicted in the court ...JoePa has pretty much been convicted in the court of public opinion. It's unlikely he will ever be "vindicated".<br />That doesn't make the Freeh report a reponsible document. And it doesn't mean we should allow emotion and speculation to take precedence over facts.jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15814885352848691045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5463472772679876402.post-69237257417276825892012-07-18T07:59:36.670-04:002012-07-18T07:59:36.670-04:00Jake - LOL. And you accuse me of being fascinated ...Jake - LOL. And you accuse me of being fascinated with crazy conspiracy theories? The smart money says Paterno knew for years, kept quiet and persuaded Curley and Schultz not to go to the authorities. Do you believe Paterno will be vindicated? I'll take that bet if you're interested in a wager.Bob Bohnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17727853354188545192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5463472772679876402.post-16527943025350257592012-07-18T06:46:22.624-04:002012-07-18T06:46:22.624-04:00Hearsay emails by perjury defendants -- you have s...Hearsay emails by perjury defendants -- you have such high standards for due process, Bob.jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15814885352848691045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5463472772679876402.post-25146358558350646482012-07-17T23:53:03.723-04:002012-07-17T23:53:03.723-04:00Chuck - I have to stoop low if I want to be level ...Chuck - I have to stoop low if I want to be level with you and Jake. If Paterno convinced Curley and Schultz not to go to the authorities, that's looking the other way. And it's pretty obvious from the emails that that's what happened. Unless of course the authors of the emails predicted an investigation and decided to write misleading emails to implicate Paterno and throw off the investigators. But then that would be a conspiracy theory that you and Jake could live with, wouldn't it?Bob Bohnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17727853354188545192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5463472772679876402.post-54312756873414575372012-07-17T21:06:55.028-04:002012-07-17T21:06:55.028-04:00I'm surprised, Bob, that you would stoop that ...I'm surprised, Bob, that you would stoop that low. You ask if Jake or me: "were to see, or were told by someone you trust, that a grown man was in a locker room shower having "horseplay" with a 10year old, you would both look the other way." As if to imply that Coach Paterno looked the other way. Or that we would. You then go on to self-agrandize that you would not. But neither did Mr. Paterno. Let me put it in the most basic crayon that I can: (a) McQueary did not, and it is well documented he did not, tell Mr. Paterno that he witnessed the child being raped, and (b) Mr. Paterno reported what McQueary had told him to Curley. But your next question was: "If it is determined beyond a reasonable doubt that Paterno persuaded the others not to go to the authorities, will you still defend his actions?" I can't speak for Jake but my answer is <b><i>no</i></b>. Then again there has been absolutely no credible evidence to suggest that the question is valid. Take a deep breath, my friend...CharlieSixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09931829880383966231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5463472772679876402.post-81530756514178074662012-07-17T18:39:45.440-04:002012-07-17T18:39:45.440-04:00Based on what?Based on what?jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15814885352848691045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5463472772679876402.post-59432848512185673522012-07-17T18:16:02.220-04:002012-07-17T18:16:02.220-04:00Jake - To answer your question, no I'm not ash...Jake - To answer your question, no I'm not ashamed to have figured out Paterno's role in this long before you.Bob Bohnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17727853354188545192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5463472772679876402.post-47590134058799911732012-07-17T15:55:10.558-04:002012-07-17T15:55:10.558-04:00And your non-response tells us all we need to know...And your non-response tells us all we need to know.jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15814885352848691045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5463472772679876402.post-11654432630526598792012-07-17T13:06:31.051-04:002012-07-17T13:06:31.051-04:00Jake - Thanks. You've answered my question.Jake - Thanks. You've answered my question.Bob Bohnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17727853354188545192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5463472772679876402.post-27233149445804780482012-07-17T12:48:09.754-04:002012-07-17T12:48:09.754-04:00Question for Bob:
Aren't you ashamed of your f...Question for Bob:<br />Aren't you ashamed of your fascination with crazy conspiracy theories and unsubstantiated speculation? <br />Do you think the public and the victims are better served by destructive gossip rather than judicial due process?jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15814885352848691045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5463472772679876402.post-82627707980552282352012-07-17T12:13:14.655-04:002012-07-17T12:13:14.655-04:00Question for Jake and Charles. If it is determined...Question for Jake and Charles. If it is determined beyond a reasonable doubt that Paterno persuaded the others not to go to the authorities, will you still defend his actions?Bob Bohnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17727853354188545192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5463472772679876402.post-39321516588660102642012-07-17T10:16:21.856-04:002012-07-17T10:16:21.856-04:00Or an even weaker effort from Paterno.Or an even weaker effort from Paterno.Bob Bohnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17727853354188545192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5463472772679876402.post-72147542472209428212012-07-17T09:53:57.940-04:002012-07-17T09:53:57.940-04:00Bob,
Don't hurt your arm patting yourself on t...Bob,<br />Don't hurt your arm patting yourself on the back.<br />McQueary's weak effort is pretty well recognized, but it doesn't justify a similiarly weak effort from Freeh.jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15814885352848691045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5463472772679876402.post-8949600986487939682012-07-17T08:45:27.210-04:002012-07-17T08:45:27.210-04:00Charlie & Jake - I get it. If either of you we...Charlie & Jake - I get it. If either of you were to see, or were told by someone you trust, that a grown man was in a locker room shower having "horseplay" with a 10year old, you would both look the other way. I wouldn't. Believe what you want. I think you're betting on a lame horse.Bob Bohnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17727853354188545192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5463472772679876402.post-80188035454285723092012-07-15T22:59:35.849-04:002012-07-15T22:59:35.849-04:00Jake: A very well reasoned post. Yes, I agree th...Jake: A very well reasoned post. Yes, I agree that the Freeh Report was intended by the author and by the Board which engaged him to put the blame elsewhere. As Spencerblog has posted, there has been nothing discovered that would make it certain that Joe Paterno had factual knowledge of Sandusky being a pedophile. Bob: Your post makes it clear you want to believe what you believe: "Legal experts said emails and other evidence in the Penn State investigative report released Thursday suggest that Paterno <b><i>may</i></b> have misled a grand jury..." May? You hang your hat on that, Bob? 'nuff said...CharlieSixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09931829880383966231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5463472772679876402.post-37913565330302740862012-07-15T20:21:41.744-04:002012-07-15T20:21:41.744-04:00Thank God for Gil, a lonely voice of reason in the...Thank God for Gil, a lonely voice of reason in the babble of journalistic insanity.<br /><br />Unlike the majority of commentators, I am reading the $5 million revisionist fable known as the Freeh report. It was commissioned by the Trustees to cover their asses, and has as little connection to the truth as your typical Obama campaign speech.<br /><br />JoePa is mentioned only twice in terms of actual evidence; two hearsay emails. How do you rationalize a lifetime of honorable service and leadership with two out-of-context emails, authored by a perjury defendant? Apparently, Louis Freeh thinks they justify the wholesale conclusions he was paid to report.<br /><br />How do you rationalize the District Attorney of Centre County declining to press charges against Sandusky in 1998? Was the football coach supposed to overrule the DA? Apparently, Louis Freeh wants you to think so.<br /><br />How do you rationalize child welfare services approving Sandusky to adopt children? Was the football coach supposed to overrule the child welfare authorities? Apparently, Louis Freeh wants you to believe that as well.<br /><br />How do you rationalize the General Counsel of Penn State advising against action on Sandusky? Was the football coach suppose to overrule the General Counsel? Once again, Freeh would have you believe he should have.<br /><br />This report only makes sense in the context of an expensive, one-sided Trustee stratagem. What a terrible waste of dollars and trust.jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15814885352848691045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5463472772679876402.post-70252862378357421042012-07-15T14:04:00.796-04:002012-07-15T14:04:00.796-04:00wow what a bunch of sponges. i cant believe most o...wow what a bunch of sponges. i cant believe most of you are soaking up this bs from the freeh report. this WAS an agenda to cover for the BOT. joe, spanier, curly, and shultz are not innocent, but this report is by no means the end all be all. It is a hypothesis. there is no credible evidence on most of the theories but most people are drinking it up. Look at the facts of the report. the facts. most of you have already past judgement before even reading it which im sure most have not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5463472772679876402.post-10319028234183442562012-07-15T09:57:13.053-04:002012-07-15T09:57:13.053-04:00Paterno knew of the alleged '98 episode. When...Paterno knew of the alleged '98 episode. When he was told about the 2001 episode he should have put 2 and 2 together. And not understanding rape between a man and a child, as a Catholic, had he never heard of the pedophile scandal that was rocking the Catholic Church all through the decade??? At some point he and the other three players... and I don't mean football players...KNEW and DID NOTHING. Not even call Sandusky about bringing his "guests" to the stadium was enforced. The Freeh report is damning because of the omissions of the people in power. McQuery should have done more and so should have the janitors. However, it is during trying times that those in power must lead. Instead, in this situation, those in power were cowards and lacked leadership and chose the easy way out through obfuscation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5463472772679876402.post-45448035268136367892012-07-14T22:16:48.442-04:002012-07-14T22:16:48.442-04:00Charles - Read this from todays Times "Legal ...Charles - Read this from todays Times "Legal experts said emails and other evidence in the Penn State investigative report released Thursday suggest that Paterno may have misled a grand jury when asked when he first heard about Jerry Sandusky's misconduct, and show that Paterno and other university officials put boys in danger with their failure to report sexual abuse allegations against Sandusky more than a decade ago." Do you honestly believe that Paterno didn't know Sandusky was a pedophile? C'mon. Get real.Bob Bohnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17727853354188545192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5463472772679876402.post-1845699407271260562012-07-14T20:34:37.768-04:002012-07-14T20:34:37.768-04:00Charlie - Regardless of the exact words used by Mc...Charlie - Regardless of the exact words used by McQueary, it doesn't excuse Paterno's actions that persuaded others not to go to the authorities. Anyone who believes Paterno didn't know that Sandusky was a pedophile is a fool. Read the story on page 10 of today's Times. I agree that McQueary is getting off easy. I also agree that Corbett's role in this should be investigated. I also believe that Paterno lied when he claimed not to know about the first incident.Bob Bohnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17727853354188545192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5463472772679876402.post-366086841411299832012-07-14T19:21:37.725-04:002012-07-14T19:21:37.725-04:00Heartfelt thanks for your post, Gil... It says wh...Heartfelt thanks for your post, Gil... It says what I have have believed, that McQueary did not tell Coach Paterno that he had seen a child being raped, and that the events which unfolded subsequently could well have been abated had he done so. For anyone to think that Joe Paterno would not have acted in a different way had he been told the details of what McQueary saw is a fool. You also raise a very intresting point regarding the Freeh Report not commenting on McQueary's lack of accurate reporting to anyone at Penn State. But another thing which I don't remember seeing in the Freeh Report is any criticism of then-Attorney General Corbett for the ineffective investigation by his office. The mass media has been agressive in their criticism of the "Gang of Four". What they have sadly missed is where the responsibility for their decisions should be placed: McQueary. Again, thanks...CharlieSixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09931829880383966231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5463472772679876402.post-81413024334797952452012-07-14T09:36:13.065-04:002012-07-14T09:36:13.065-04:00Why do you think this is? Is it intentional? What&...Why do you think this is? Is it intentional? What's the reason for going easy on McQueary?Bob Bohnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17727853354188545192noreply@blogger.com