Sunday, March 16, 2008
posted by Spencerblog at
Ugly, ugly stuff. Having been a member for 20 years, there is no way Obama can claim to not have been aware of these attitudes in that church. The good thing about this election is how it has brought all this exposure and focus to the level of broad black racism in America that has been kept hush and given a pass for so long.
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Oh, stop, Dave. Once again you are defending (apologizing) this ugly display of bitter militant black racism. There is no defending this or spinning it away. Obama is a longtime member of a racist black church. Period. It’s up to folks how they feel about that and how it impacts their vote. (Although I know it won’t change your support.) Nothing more needs to be corrected. Blacks in America 2008 have it pretty darn good. Time to move on and let the past be. And the cab thing is a tired weep that blacks can blame on other blacks for robbing and killing cabbies and skipping out on fares. A reasonable person can hardly blame the cab drivers for not wanting to be subjected to that. Stop trying to pin everything on whitey, jeez… Oh, and stop projecting, liar. Did I say anything about Jesus or God? No, I did not. I issued no “red-faced reaction” similar to blahblah. Although you served up your usual predictable emasculated apologist apologies.
Dave, Thanks so much for explaining the point the pastor was making. I can't understand why Obama would distance himself from such a reasonable recounting of American history.Maybe he should just adopt Wright's "God damn America" slogan and run with it.But really... "the white people don't fully understand the depth of what needs to be corrected"? You're starting to make Randal's argument for him. I remember All in the Family. I don't remember seeing race hustlers like Jeremiah Wright being lauded even by a patronizing liberal like Norman Lear. I must have missed that episode.
Spencer, Falwell, Robertson, and Hagee have said things much more extreme, I'm not going to quote, use the Google. You will find more than enough that way.McCain openly accepted Hagee's endorsement. Hagee advocates war with Iran as one way to hasten the "End Times" and the return of Jesus, only true believers (Hagee's types) qualify for salvation.Most Repugs worship at the altar of these "extremists", that is, when they are not worshipping at the altar of big oil, pharma, etc.So why no outrage about McCain embracing Hagee's endorsement?Must be that damned liberal media R is always screaming about.I read some of your articles about ordinary people having problems around Delco. We may not see eye to eye on all things, mainly politics, but I respect your focus where it comes to the little guy. Please don't blow that respect by trying to defend the likes of Randal, even in the least transparent way. It would be totally beneath you.
Sorry about that first sentence, it should read..Spencer: Falwell, Robertson, and Hagee have said things much more extreme, I'm not going to quote, use the Google.Just so you know I'm not lumping you in the same category with those guys, at least not yet :-)
Oh, so since this old black racist didn’t threaten violence, that makes it all just fine. That sure sounds like an apology, Dave. Hey, I wonder if you’d be as forgiving of a white church that preached such hatred toward blacks? I’ve got news for ya, D, these black racists that you always defend, they hate you as much as they do me. Only to them you are a useful idiot. And can we keep the discussion focused on recent years, please?
TG, Hagee, Falwell and Robertson are not and have not been accepted by John McCain as his "spiritual advisors."I wouldn't say that any of those three have said things "much more extreme" than Wright."God Damn, America" and accusing the U.S. of terrorism right after 9/11 and the "chickens are coming home to roost," is pretty extreme, even for a black church.Wright and his embrace of Louis Farrakhan puts him beyond the pale.As for endorsements, pols will accept endorsements from just about anybody until things are revealed about the endorser that lose the pol more votes than it gets him.I would expect McCain to distance himself from Hagee for his weird views on Catholics. And I think Obama is doing a pretty good job of distancing himself from Wright.But his is a real tight-rope walk. After all, he credits Wright with inspiring the title of his autobiography, "The Audacity of Hope" and writes much else the influence of his church on his life.Part of Obama's problem is America still doesn't know him very well yet. He's a bit of a cypher that a lot of people have poured their own hopes in, seeing what they want instead of what he really, an ambitious but inexperienced pol who wants to be president of the United States.He is trying to define himself as a healer, someone who brings people together, someone who can rise above mere politics. We'll see if he can pull that off for seven more months, should he win the nomination.
Obama's problem is America still doesn't know him very well yet. He's a bit of a cypher that a lot of people have poured their own hopes in, seeing what they want instead of what he really [is]Quite true. But we're finally getting to see the real Barrack Hussein Obama that the Left has tried so hard to hide. And it ain't pretty.
Pretty extreme for a "spiritual advisor".
I suspect that it never occurred to Obama that his militant black racist preacher of 20 years would become a liability in his campaign. He was likely confident in the knowing that white America has been so bullied into silence about and accepting of black racism that it would never become a mainstream issue. And if it did occur to him, he likely just figured that the Apologist Lib Press would protect him and make it go away as they have with so many of his other downsides. And, as we have seen, he always has the Race Card Defense to play if things get really ugly.
"There is no such thing as separation of church and state in the Constitution. It is a lie of the Left and we are not going to take it anymore." "(T)he feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.""Maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up" –Pat Robertson, on nuking the State DepartmentQuotes by the "not radical Pat Robertson"
And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way — all of them who have tried to secularize America — I point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen. The Bible is the inerrant... word of the living God. It is absolutely infallible, without error in all matters pertaining to faith and practice, as well as in areas such as geography, science, history, etc."I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!" Some Falwell quotes
“Most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews.” "All hurricanes are acts of God because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that."Hagee quotes, this guy openly endorsed McCain.
What ever happened to separation of Church and State in the U.S.?Why wasn't Mittens Mormonism a central topic of debate while he was still running?Why haven't we seen Huckabee's sermons?And after providing some intelligent answers to the above questions, why is the "mainstream" press so foucused on Obama's minister, and not on those so called religious leaders whose quotes I listed?
Because they're not saying "down with whitey!" like Obama's personal preacher.
tg, spiritual advisors of McCain? Can you give us the backup so we know there's a connection as extreme as Obama's?Thanks,Steve
Yeah, there's no comparing the two.
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