Tuesday, June 17, 2008
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I hear Ben Rothlesberger votes democrat. any coincidence???Gil, you have to post some of those Obam "lolcats" pictures from IMHO. I sawe a couple last night a fell out of my chair!You still know how to post pictures, right???
More straight talk from McCain.Page 17 of the Times.McCain criticized Obama for proposing a windfall profit tax for the oil companys, while last month he said he would consider the same proposal. Do we really need to drill for more oil? Or support these Arab nations that have us over a barrell? (pardon the pun). Oh, and as far as the claims by people like Hannity, Rush and George Will about the Chinese drilling off Cuba - read this - Yet no one can prove that the Chinese are drilling anywhere off Cuba's shoreline. The China-Cuba connection is "akin to urban legend," said Sen. Mel Martinez, a Republican from Florida who opposes drilling off the coast of his state but who backs exploration in ANWR. "China is not drilling in Cuba's Gulf of Mexico waters, period," said Jorge Pinon, an energy fellow with the Center for Hemispheric Policy at the University of Miami and an expert in oil exploration in the Gulf of Mexico. Martinez cited Pinon's research when he took to the Senate floor Wednesday to set the record straight.Yep. Just more neo-con scare tactics.Now here's something we should all look into. Check it out when you gat a chance. Tata Motors of India has developed a car that runs on compressed AIR! Thats right- AIR! The technology is already in use in several Indian buses, and in Aug. 2008, they plan on starting production of 6000 cars. The original version will get 125 miles to a tank with a top speed of 68MPH. The tank costs $2.00 to fill at a little over 4000PSI. It also comes with its own compressor that plugs in at home and fills the tank in a 4 hr period. A car possibly targeted for the U.S. is also being considered. Now I know this sounds crazy, but the U.S. car will get 1000 miles per fill up with a top speed of about 90. I wonder what big oil will do to kill this one!
big oil will do nothing to kill it bob, just needs to be affordable and functional in our society. I read about this last year in Outside Magazine, and I welcome it if it truly works. If it's more dependable than my current vehicle, I welcome it. However, my current vehicle represents a pretty low standard, so I happily welcome anythign at this point.
jugrpSteve- dont know what you are driving now, but I have 2 cars. A 2007 Saturn Vue. Not a bad car, and it has the Honda engine, but my back and forth to work car is a 1994 Honda Del Sol that averages 35MPG. Honda made a slew of high mileage cars in the 90's. But if this air car works, I'm there. I'd love to see that.
Huh? Only 1000 miles per tank full?? That doesn’t seem like nearly enough! We should arbitrarily legislate higher air mileage from this car with blind disregard for realities of the industry technology before it is permitted on the American market. But seriously, let’s not go jumping the gun on new and yet unproven technology “solutions”. A measured approach is always best. Much like having people ride around our highways in little hydrogen bombs, I see terrible accidents occurring with that sort of air pressure tank onboard. Such things could make the rolling firebomb Pinto of years ago look downright safe. And notice how angry Lib hypocrites like Bob and Dave seem incapable of posting anything without including cheap shots at the entirety of the Right. …And then they weep when I do the same about Libs -who are without question more of a problem for our society and country.
Rear RandalI'm so sorry. I really should have taken into consideration the established fact that you are a very sensative guy. Please point out any misinformation or lies in my last post and I will apologize.Oh, and Randal, "I see terrible accidents occuring" if we get 4 more years of Republican leadership.
I drive a Ford Ranger. I'll give it credit, the mpg is rather good for a pickup on the highway. But it's dependability is terrible. Two engines, two transmission rebuilds and the usual slew of alternators, radiators and etc. I'm the type that puts very little value into the social status of my vehicles, there fore, I shall drive it until it drives no more.
Gee, what's safer, flammable gasoline or air?False argument by Dishonest Dave! (Gee, what else is new? Lol…) It is not just “air” but the 4000 psi (!) that is the concern for the potential catastrophic explosions during accidents. But you well knew this when you pecked your dishonest retort, didntcha, DD? ;) "I see terrible accidents occuring" if we get 4 more years of Republican leadership.Thank you for proving this, Hurt Feelings Hypocrite Bob:And notice how angry Lib hypocrites like Bob and Dave seem incapable of posting anything without including cheap shots at the entirety of the Right. …And then they weep when I do the same about Libs -who are without question more of a problem for our society and country.That ain’t nothing compared to the disaster we’re facing if your Radical Liberal Socialist Muslin Sympathizer Affirmative Action Candidate gets in the White House.
you gotta love the mccain situation. Liberals are claiming he's another UBER-Conservative who will replicate a third term for the bush administration. Conservatives are complaining because they don't feel he's going to be a conservative himself if elected. What's that say? A moderate? I sure miss those types in office!
Right, S, the Left’s cheap attacks on McCain are disingenuous to say the least, considering that they once heralded him as the Anti-Bush and a Repub “maverick” moderate. They used to like him just fine. That was until they smelled their chance to insert their long awaited Affirmative Action Candidate. Suddenly he’s an evil enemy and they set about vilifying him as they would anyone to get a black in the Oval Office at all cost. Funny how we haven’t seen anyone in the Lib Media confront prominent LibDems about this sudden change in their regard for McCain. “Funny”? I meant, telling.
RWell, you didn't disprove anything in my post, so I guess I don't owe you an apology. Gee. For a tough guy conservative, you sure do whine alot.
RandalWOW. Thanks for that last post. Now I get it! Duh!"Muslim sympathizer" "Affirmative Action Candidate" "vilifying him as they would anyone to get a black in the Oval Office at all cost" Randal, I thought one of the principles that this country was founded upon was religious freedom. Does this only apply to Christians? Aren't we supposed to be the "Melting Pot"? Randal, I see our country's strength in it's diversity. It's quite obvious that you fear diversity. Corect me if I'm wrong, but your comments come across as being racist. Are you a racist Randal?
Get off my leg, Bob. That we are presently at war with Radical Islam makes inserting a Muslim sympathizer as president now questionable, to say the least. Kinda makes one wonder just what his motives were for “opposing this war from the start” when just about everyone else was onboard with it. Don’t act like this is the only place you’ve heard this. The Melting Pot could melt us if we’re not careful.
R- BTWThe designers of the car say that upon serious impact, the tanks split with a loud bang, but don't explode. Can you say paranoid?
Paranoid?? 4000psi of anything is reasonable cause for concern –particularly when we’re talking about filling our highways with these things- and hardly makes one paranoid for considering the possible ramifications. And now suddenly you Libs blindly believe everything that Big Business tells you about the safety of their products?? Lol… I gotta say, that dishonest, ‘oppose Randal at all cost’ Libism you guys bring here really makes you look like pathetic grasping dopes. Lol…
I'd love to debate the safety risks of 4,000 psi in a tank, bob, but I can't claim to know enough. Then again, we drive with tanks full of flammable gasoline, so does the arguement end there?Just thinking about these vehicles (and knowing little), I'll wager that early issues involve tanks leaking, seals wearing down, and higher electrical bills resulting from the juice needed to pump a tank to 4,000 psi. I'm not an electrician (Where's Franny Ward???), but would having these vehicles mean that we would need 480/277v in our homes as opposed to the standard 120/208?
I'd have to agree with R with this one... Gee, what's safer, flammable gasoline or air?"False argument by Dishonest Dave! (Gee, what else is new? Lol…) It is not just “air” but the 4000 psi (!) that is the concern for the potential catastrophic explosions during accidents. But you well knew this when you pecked your dishonest retort, didntcha, DD? ;) "Air under pressure is much more disastrous than gasoline. Gasoline isn't very flammable at all.
Those interested should read the Popular mechanics - Feb. 2008.They claim the air car could be in the US by 2010. Here is an excerpt from one of thebloggers........."Actually, the higher the air pressure, the more efficient it becomes to produce as long as you can produce that much pressure with the equipment you have. The pressures are FAR more than 3000 psi. I have seen burst tests of greater than 16,000 psi where the carbon fiber tank simply opens up rather than explodes and quickly releases all the air without an explosion and in the direction it was engeneered to release it in. (towards the pavement) Trust me. This car works and has free a/c system built in due to highly compressed natural air. You can charge this thing for free as well. All you need is a battery, solar panel, wind generator set up. $500 to $1500. The auto industry we have today is a rotting corpse ready to turn into a runny goo. No one wants it any more.
Umm, DD, just how many 4000 psi scuba divers are there hurling down highways at 75 mph toward oncoming 75 mph traffic surrounded by three tons of jagged steel with the potential for the other vehicles catching fire in the event of a crash? (Seriously, I really hope for your sake that your clients don’t read here, DD.) Anyway, I never said that I knew anything about this technology or that I was against it, just that we shouldn’t take the usual Lib way and rush into anything and instead proceed with reasonable caution, is all. It sounds dangerous. I’m sure that I’m not the only one who first heard about these super high pressure cars today. See, what really took place here is that you Lib boys smelled an opportunity –lame as it was- and pounced on me for my stated position and grasped in desperation at anything just to prove me wrong. It’s rather pathetic. Just as I said: You boys are forever grasping at absolutely anything to oppose me at every feeble opportunity. Often even resorting to lying to do it. (Even siding with mean old Big Business!) Kinda like what you dolts do to Bush. Lol. It always feels good to know that I matter so much to others. Now, if you guys weren’t such dopey Libs, it’d feel even better. (Now that Dave’s blood is boiling he will vow to someday take me down. Thus continuing this cycle. Lol…) Thanks, J! ;)Here’s a timely story about beer kegs exploding in the back of a truck. How much pressure in a beer keg? 50 psi?: http://www.nbc10.com/automotive/16642340/detail.html
RYour quote- " You boys are forever grasping at absolutely anything to oppose me at every feeble opportunity." Reminds me of that old Charlie Brown song. Why's everybody always picking on me! I post information about a possible major break through in the auto industry, something you admit to never having heard of before, enlightening and educating you, and you turn it into a left wing conspiracy! Randal, you obviously have access to a computer. But then intellectual curiosity isn't a strong point with Republicans these days, is it?
bob, one thing I haven't seen with air compressed vehicles is how much torque they can produce. I am assuming their capacity is low, which leads me to believe that air compressed vehicles would have a useful existance as an urban-type vehicle. Driving around Media or Delco, I'm sure they would be a valuable fit. I guarantee that if they are sold in the US, every code inspector and non-police related agency will use them. I believe the true breakthrough into the next generation of technology will be when someone can find a formula/fuel that can produce enough torque to handle commercial loads.
SteveI would probably agree with you there. I know that India is using the air engine in public transportation right now. I think we will see several options within the next ten years, including high efficiency gasoline engines. Here's one for you Steve. Have you read about the "hypermilers"?If you haven't, then you should research it when you get a few moments. Bob
Dishonest Dave wrote: Grasp, grasp, wiggle, wiggle… lots of words hoping others will think I’m making a point Hmm, I wonder just how them 4000 psi tanks would do once heated by fire in a automobile crash? But since concussive explosions don’t ever harm anything like a fireball explosion does, I guess everything would be just fine. Oh, wait… Lol… All that “education” doesn’t seem to do much for ya here, DD! Ya do it to yourself! Lol… You guys don’t know any more about this new technology than I do, but that hasn’t stopped you from rushing to great and wordy lengths to fully endorse it just an only because I questioned its safety. I just think it’s hysterical how you Libs desperately grasp to oppose me at all cost!
Oh, so you’re saying car accidents never result in fire? (snicker) Or that suddenly, over night, ALL cars on the road are going to be these safest-cars-ever-built high pressure bombs that can’t catch fire? (snicker again) [I would really like to hear from any of David Diano’s client if any of them read here.]
LMAO! Now you’re just making it up as you go along! How did you so suddenly become such an expert?? You sure do get to some pathetic grasping in your desperation to oppose me, DD! Lol… Why do I mean soooo much to you?
you two are arguing over the most meager of issues here...
Hey, don’t group me with him, S. He’s the one who’s gone overboard and magically become a fake expert on something he knows little about just and only to be contary to my reasonable questioning of the 4000 psi safety. I'm just slapping him around for his pettyness.
randal, there's ALWAYS a risk with driving a vehicle. The compressed tank just isn't an arguement any of us need to waste our time with. The tank can blow, the lightweight stature of theseg next-generation vehicles pose a danger on the roads against tractor trailers, etc. We've been making similar arguements with our present vehicles: Gas tanks are moving bombs, or do you remember the older arguements about present fiberglass cars vs the old steel ones?You two are just having a silly arguement. What's bigger is the viability of the next technology, development, production and functionality. There's going to be issues with the first few waves as ALL of us will agree on here.
Right. That is just exactly how this all started. I made a perfectly reasonable statement about what I saw to be potential risks in a brand new technology.And Dishonest Dave went all Lib on me for it. If those guys weren’t so bent on opposing me at every petty turn, all these wasted pixels would not have had their lives taken in vain. But it's just my nature to not let Libs get away with their petty and dishonest crap.
Lol. <- at you, DD. You should have studied more things like logic and reason, independent critical thinking, honesty and integrity, because in these areas is where you get a failing grade.
David,I ACCEPT your bet. Now I get to make the rules as you challenged.1. You will undergo your act first with a non-steel scuba tank. The tank also will not have to be shot to be opened up. There are many other ways as cars don't carry bullets that would better represent the sample explosion.2. I will douse myself with kerosene (I said gasoline, of which, under your Wikipedia Monopoly explanation, kerosene falls under a type of gasoline). You can then throw matches at me and see if I light on fire.4. Gil, R, Steve, Pro Guns/Christ, and Bob will be present.Now to make this interesting, how about we put a bet out there. If I win, you "gift" me your business of which I can do what I want. You cannot work in this same field again. If I lose, I'll "gift" you my business and will follow the same rules.I'll be away through July, so the earliest this can take place is August.What do you say Davey boy?
Lol. Never gonna happen, J. Dishonest Dave is afraid to come out from behind the safety of his computer keyboard. He wouldn't even join us for a beer! Made all sorts of cowardly wiggling excuses...I too would like to see onea these 4000 psi tanks heated by flame until bursting and witness the none dangerous concussion explosion. I wonder if DD would be willing to sit atop the tank during this experiment? ...since he as the expert here has declared it not at all dnagerous... (snicker)
Man, I swear Dishonest Dave gets more dishonest and more petty nit-picky by the day. I also noticed that DD is apparently not willing to back his silly claim that this exploding high pressure tank would cause no harm. Lol… And you are too afraid to come out into the world and leave the safety of your computer, DD. So any challenge is off anyway and Jonas wins by your forfeit.
Typical LibDave, always about violence with those he disagrees. Using your childish challenge, what say we blast a hole in the side of that heated 4000 psi tank and aim it right at the side of your head? …since all that pressure and concussion explosions don’t really cause any harm anyway. Lol…
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