Friday, August 1, 2008

A NRA Mole at Ceasefire?

Read this awesome story about a National Rifle Association mole who infiltrates a Pennsylvania gun control organization and gets elected to their board.

It begins:

"Mary McFate was the kind of volunteer the gun-control movement in Pennsylvania prized. By all accounts, she was dedicated and diligent, humble enough to stuff envelopes yet bold enough to lobby U.S. senators.

"Now it seems that the CeaseFire PA board member may have been more versatile than anyone could have imagined. According to Mother Jones magazine, she was a spy for the National Rifle Association.

Mother Jones reported that McFate was in fact Mary Lou "Sapone, who made headlines in the 1990 when it was revealed that she had been hired by a surgical-equipment company to infiltrate the animal-rights movement.

"As McFate, the magazine reported, Sapone covertly infiltrated gun-control groups for more than a decade and received payment from private security firms and the NRA."

Even better are the quotes from Ceasefire and their supporters.

"If I wasn't 63 years old and seen a lot in my life, I would have been shocked," said (CeasefirePA. prez Phil) Goldsmith, a veteran of city politics as managing director to Mayor John F. Street.

(But since he was around one of the more corrupt city adminstrations in American history, he's not.)

"It's surprising that the NRA had nothing better to do but put a mole into an organization such as CeaseFire PA," said City Councilwoman Donna Reed Miller... "It must mean they're afraid of something."

(Yeah, of having their guns taken away.)

"She must be very good at what she does, because a whole bunch of very smart people were completely hoodwinked by this," said Diane Edbril, CeaseFire PA's executive director between 2004 and 2007.

(Or not so very smart people... but then...)

"We thought she was sort of a flake and not so bright, but hardworking and ready to show up for anything," (Former CeasefireNJ director) Bryan Miller said.

(There's a want ad for you: "CeasefirePA - Now hiring not-so-bright flakes, willing to work hard and show up for anything.")

Isn't this how the FBI broke the Ku Klux Klan? With moles and infiltrators?


Anonymous Bob said...


Come on Gil. You're not really expecting anyone to buy that comparison. The gun control people and the KKK? A hate group vs. a group thats tired of seeing kids murdering each other? I know your theory on how if we were all armed, we would be better off. That might work in Fargo, but you know damn well it won't work in Phila. Do you condone this behavior? It just proves how paranoid these gun nuts really are, and if you ask me, paranoia and guns are not a good mix.

August 1, 2008 at 10:19 AM 
Anonymous r said...

That's why no one asks gun-fearing cowards what you think, BB, other than fellow Libs in the Press lending undue exposure to the small but vocal gun grabbers.

August 1, 2008 at 11:12 AM 
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August 1, 2008 at 12:03 PM 
Anonymous Bob said...


RR alone is a good reason for gun control. Seriously, after the comments he's made, one has to question his mental stability. Another example from personal experience. Recently a fellow employee was involved in a domestic dispute with his wife. Everyone at work has been aware of this guys paranoia for years, but this time it came to a head. The police raided his house and confiscated 8 semi-automatic weapons. How many others are out there like that? I'm not anti gun. I believe that any homeowner should be allowed to have protection, and the best form is a shotgun. But the NRA is an organization that would allow homeowners to own heat seeking missles if they could get away with it. Bottom line- the only peole that should have semi-auto and automatic weapons are police and military. Why would any civilian need an assault weapon? And yet this is what this organization has come to stand for.
I agree with you Dave. I think this woman is a disgrace, and if this is what the NRA is up to, they should be ashamed. No wonder Bush Sr. discontinued his membership.

August 1, 2008 at 12:33 PM 
Anonymous Bob said...


And RR still hangs on my every word. LOL

August 1, 2008 at 12:34 PM 
Anonymous r said...

Once again Dishonest Dave shows us what a hypocrite he is. Does anyone who is familiar with his cowardly, gun-fearing, gun-grabbing advocacy really believe for a second that DDD would not be singing the praises of a Cease Fire mole who infiltrated the NRA?

Lol… Liars are easy.

Beside, all of this is silly nonsense anyway. The NRA is little more than a straw red herring, a big old mean and faceless entity that the grabbers can demonize. But it is not just the few million members of the NRA who oppose gun grabbing, as the grabbers would have us believe -noooo, not by a longshot- but hundreds of millions of law abiding, Constitution-loving Americans.

Seeing how Liberalism is seen by many to be a mental illness, perhaps it best that we don’t let those overly emotional, unstable folks have guns. I mean, who in their right mind would trust Boring Bob or Dishonest Dave not to harm fellow citizens, our elected public officials and company executives after some of the shrill, hate filled stuff these Angry Libs have posted here?

August 1, 2008 at 1:09 PM 
Anonymous Bob said...


LOL. Can you imagine? RR accusing us of posting shrill, hate filled messages? WOW. The guy who said he would spit in Cindy Sheehens face, and who said Lib Traitors should be shot by returning vets. The guy who doesn't worry about the war because he's not personally affected. He's the most hate filled, venom spewing poster on this blog, and this can be proven by anyone wishing to search the archives. RR has outdone himself this time!!!!

August 1, 2008 at 2:27 PM 
Anonymous r said...

Try again, BB, only this time with a little more honesty and a little less feminine Lib emotion.

August 1, 2008 at 7:34 PM 
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August 2, 2008 at 12:23 AM 
Anonymous r said...

You already used that joke this week, DDD.

I'd go along with the gun ownership requirements you laid out. That sounds reasonable enough. But I also know that you irrationally fear guns and want to grab every gun. And that's not reasonable. So this is just slipery slope for you and not a genine sentiment. Thus, you are a liar and the rest of us don't really care what you think about gun ownership, DDD.

August 2, 2008 at 2:11 AM 
Anonymous Bob said...

RR says try again with a little more honesty! So here are some RR gems mined from the archives:

RR On Kerry- That scumbag should have been shot upon his return to the states. Or better yet, fragged in the field.
On parents with sons in the military- Lib bumper sticker: "Have you stabbed your soldier son in the back today?"

RR On blacks- So you assume, DD, that the monkeys would blindly vote species the same way blacks blindly vote race? Hehehe…

RR On Obamas religion (and I thought a persons religion was a matter of choice) - Obama is a Muslim. Or since he’s the son of one he’s a half Muslim.

RR on blacks- That bad link was to a pic of a t-shirt which has a pic of Curious George eating a banana above the words “Obama 2008”. Lol…

RR on Iran- Israel should bomb Iran tomorrow, before it's too late. No sense pting it off.

RR on Iran and blacks- Iran is the drunken black guy standing in the street waving a gun around threatening his neighbors.

RR on blacks- They destroy what they are given and we rebuild it again. All the while they remain bitter ingrates.

RR on the mother of a dead soldier-I would never apologise to the likes of Cindy Sheehan. I would be much more inclined to spit in her filthy treasonous face

RR on the war dead- Still crying about those 4000 brave volunteers? Seems minor compared to the 60,000 lost in the Dem war of Vietnam.

RR on his lack of military service-I don’t have an excuse for not enlisting in the military. Nor do I need one. Besides, why would I be a soldier? We’ve already got guys who do that.

RR's patriotic stance on the war-Why are you Libs so upset, so overly emotional about this war, anyway? Has this war really negatively impacted you personally -really? Why does something so far away that isn’t impacting you directly in your day to day make you Libs so angry and upset?

August 2, 2008 at 9:11 AM 
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August 2, 2008 at 10:55 AM 
Anonymous Bob said...


Yes, and I forgot to add the one where he said returning soldiers should shoot Lib traitors. But damn Dave, theres just so much! You have to admit, RR is prolific.

August 2, 2008 at 12:37 PM 
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August 2, 2008 at 12:54 PM 
Anonymous Bob said...


Now that----was FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!

August 2, 2008 at 1:27 PM 
Anonymous r said...

Hmm, let’s see… Boring Bob dishonestly misrepresenting my words due to my having repeatedly hurt his fragile feminine feelings… He hates me bitterly for the words on the screen in front of him. Lol… I think he’s obsessed with me! Along with the fact that I called him on his despicable back stabbing of his brave soldier son…

Dishonest Gay Dave once again with the gay sex reference and lying about his prior stated gun stance... piling on…

Ho-hum. Nothing new here. Moving along…

August 2, 2008 at 1:51 PM 
Anonymous r said...

Oh, and DDD once again wishing death on others here for the mere crime of, well, his disagreeing with their opinions… Lol… Kinda like how he called for the murdering of company executive for no other reason than he personally doesn’t like their legal products.

Witness the quality and depth of Angry Modern Liberalism, folks! And (back to topic…) why overly emotional Angry Libs should not be permitted to own guns.

August 2, 2008 at 1:56 PM 
Anonymous Bob said...

Hmmm. I don't know why RR is denying his own words. No misrepresentation at all. I welcome anyone to search the archives for his opinionzs and words and prove me wrong.

August 2, 2008 at 4:27 PM 
Anonymous r said...

Oh, no, your quotes of me were fine, BB. I’m not challenging them. It was your deceitful mischaracterizing tags that were dishonest.
But given your motives, which I laid out above, this is somewhat understandable …along with the fact that you are a dishonest Hurt Feelings Lib, which makes it kind of expected…

August 2, 2008 at 8:00 PM 
Anonymous r said...

Our hatred, yours and mine, DDD&BB, for others is apparent. Only the difference between the reasons behind our hatred are great. See, yours is driven by petty feelings –emotion- and the desire to exact revenge to make you feel better. (Not to mention your known Lib misplaced loyalties and sympathies.) While mine is in reactive response to those who would bring harm to our nation and society. While I hate criminals, you Libs hate cops. Where I hate terrorists, you Libs hate the President of the United States. Where I would be much more likely to use a gun on a deserving criminal scumbag, you boys would likely shoot an elected official for hurting your fragile feelings. Where I might want to shoot a deserving traitor, you Libs would want to shoot those who waged the war. The differences are endless. See, my motives are much more warranted and worthy than your petty, childish hurt feelings ones. I’m trying to save this joint while you just want to make others pay for making you cry. And unstable, overly emotional folks like that shouldn’t be permitted to have guns any more than equivalent third grade children should. Actually, some third grade children are indeed more mature and more capable of handling guns responsibly than you Lib weepers.

[Disclaimer to head off petty Lib piling-on mischaracterizing of my words: I am not going to shoot anyone. I am speaking figuratively. However, I can’t say the same for the overly emotional Libs here.]

August 2, 2008 at 8:37 PM 
Anonymous Bob said...

Dave - Can you believe this guy? How twisted. I'm sure you know the tags were correct. Again, anyone can review the archives.

Dave, you and I both say we dont want to take guns from people, and Im sure we both prefer cops to criminals. Matter of fact, most cops that I talk to would love to see assault weapons and hand guns off the street. It would make their job a hell of a lot safer, and easier. Trust me on this. Just about every cop Ive talked to would like to see this.

So maybe RR can be more specific and tell me which tags were wrong.
But I doubt it.

Wonder what he's so ashamed of.
RR has made it quite clear that he hates certain people because of the color of their skin, others for their religion, and others because of their political leanings. RR also claims that I would like to see certain people shot. I challenge RR to show me where I've called for the shooting of anyone. Or for that matter stab or spit on someone.

August 2, 2008 at 10:19 PM 
Anonymous Bob said...

RR said "Enough about your boy already, BB. Sheesh." I guess it bothers him to see someone in the military to get some good publicity. Well, since my son was given a "laurel" in the Times Sat. edition, maybe RR should direct his "enough about your boy" complaint to the Times editor.

August 3, 2008 at 12:33 AM 
Anonymous r said...

Why are you talking to Dave? You some coward who needs a buddie to team up on others, BB? Well, judging by the quality of most of your posts, you DO need a helper. But Dave prolly ain’t the best one to pick! Lol…

Ok, so maybe I tossed you and DDD into the same pot a bit, BB. But from over here all you Libs look about the same. Dopes of a feather and all…
So you never said you hated cops, well, I have never said I “hated people because of their color blahblah” either, ya liar.
DDD regularly sympathizes with and defends scumbags at the expense of cops.
Like you girls share your petty hatred for our president which ends up aiding our enemies when you traitors vocalize it.
Despite what he has said here in this thread, Dishonest Dave has indeed before stated that he would like to see ALL guns confiscated (while at the same time wishing others shot!). He is a convicted gun-grabber who picks and chooses which parts of the Constitution he likes and disregards parts that don’t suit his idiotological Far Left Commie view.

Why would I be ashamed of anything?? I don’t have to pick at every one of your dishonest context-twisting tags on your quotes of me. You don’t matter that much. You and I both know what you did. Besides, I thought that by quoting me you were attempting to show some level of hatred you claim I have for all things, or some such. Most of them showed nothing other than my excellent observations and insights.

R has made it quite clear that he hates certain people because of the color of their skin, others for their religion, and others because of their political leanings.

Here you’re mischaracterizing my words again. Dishonestly. And, again, I hate people who cause our society and country harm. While you weepers hate others who hurt your feelings.

I guess it bothers him to see someone in the military to get some good publicity.

Here you're just lying. What have I ever posted that would indicate I hate our military? Hmmm? No, you well know I support our military boys as much as anyone. It's your Lib buddies like DDD who are the soldier haters and use them in their cheap political games. (Funny how you don't get on him for that, hypocrite.) I demand you apologize, ya little liar.

Man, you have been hanging around DDD too much.

You’re lucky I’m bored and willing to commit the time to all your piddly whining.
I’ll stop back later to pick up your apology to me.

August 3, 2008 at 12:58 AM 
Anonymous Bob said...

Well, guess I kicked RR's a** on that one. Crying for an apology. LOL

August 3, 2008 at 1:24 AM 
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August 3, 2008 at 1:35 AM 
Anonymous Bob said...


Im till trying to figure out what Im supposed to apologize for. RR has shown his disrespect for the military and their families.
He said "Why are you Libs so upset, so overly emotional about this war, anyway? Has this war really negatively impacted you personally -really? Why does something so far away that isn’t impacting you directly in your day to day make you Libs so angry and upset?" That statement alone shows a disregard for the men in uniform.
He should be ashamed of himself. He owes me, Cindy Sheehan, Mary Tillmn, and all of the parents and servicemen and women an apology. And he has yet to answer my Mary Tillman question. Like Cindy Sheehan, Mary Tillman has publicly denounced the use of US troops in Iraq, and accused the Bush administration of misusing her sons death for propaganda. Does RR want to spit in her face too? Would he call Pat Tillman a traitor for speaking out against Bush's invasion and occupation of Iraq?

August 3, 2008 at 2:03 AM 
Blogger Franny Ward said...

Apparently Cease Fire PA doesn't mind Mary being a member. Why? Well I just got the text below from their web site.

"Mary McFate has been involved in gun violence prevention in since the first federal assault weapons ban was enacted in 1994-1995. She is a member of the American Association for Suicideology, and was the first gun violence prevention advocate to start coalition building within that community."

As Gil says, The Money question:
Is she really a member of the American Association for Suicideology?

August 3, 2008 at 9:06 AM 
Anonymous r said...

I didn’t really expect you to man up to your lie and apologize, BB. You truly are a Mini Dishonest Dave. And, once again, your petty childish hurt feelings is the motivation behind your weepy dishonesty. Pathetic.

And you have it backwards: I kicked your ass.

Oh, and I couldn’t help but notice how you still have failed to jump DDD for his joking about killing U.S. soldiers. But all the while you’ll weep at me… Lol…

August 3, 2008 at 12:59 PM 
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August 3, 2008 at 6:11 PM 
Blogger steve mcdonald said...

I must be different. I simply think the story's hilarious.

August 4, 2008 at 2:12 PM 
Blogger steve mcdonald said...

oh, and I guess I'm also a gun-fearing coward. Illegal guns are a true problem that needs attention - this I cannot deny. (This is also why I'll never run for office, the GOP wouldn't like my tactics and the dems and I would always come to fisticuffs!)

August 4, 2008 at 2:14 PM 
Blogger steve mcdonald said...

HOLY SMOKE, BOB! I didn't know you kept extensive records on randal's more infamous quotes! Do you work in St. Peter's department of archives or something? (And if so, is my outlook any good?)

I am simply floored, that was really impressive.

By the way, since we have a RR, a BB, and a DD(D), I need to be thrown an offense or two so I can be SS (Stupid Steve, Sinner Steve, scandalous steve, sexy steve - have a ball!)


August 4, 2008 at 2:25 PM 
Anonymous Bob said...


Just 10 min. of cutting and pasting from the Spencerblog archives. RR's words coming back to haunt him.

August 4, 2008 at 5:32 PM 
Anonymous r said...

Now, now, BB, do you really think my words are haunting me? Really? Or is that just your hurt feelings talking again?

August 4, 2008 at 8:01 PM 
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August 5, 2008 at 9:48 AM 
Anonymous r said...

Just as Dishonest Dave is proud of his every dishonest, disingenuous, spinning, apologist, treasonous, Lib idiot word he types.
I mean, where I come from the absolute worst thing someone can call you is a liar and charge that you lack integrity and charater. But Dishonest Dave just takes it all in stride, almost proud of his lack of charater so long as he’s advancing his dishonest partisan message. What’s that tell you about how he conducts the rest of his life? What a pathetic shell of a man, worthy of our pity if not for his arrogance.
See what that Modern Libism “By any means necessary” mindset will do to a guy.

August 5, 2008 at 11:37 AM 
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August 5, 2008 at 10:56 PM 
Anonymous randal said...

But we already established that in addition to being a nearly constant liar you’re also a hate spewing bigot. Like that’s any better. You’re a mess all around.
And you’re like an anti-racist that really is a racist and you don’t even know it. See, you’re so mired in your White Guilt that you try so hard to be anti-racist but you end up being a racist for treating blacks differently. You treat them as if they are retarded children who always need assistance. How insulting is that. And you clap when they do some insignificant thing that’s just expected of everyone else. How patronizing. That’s way worse than anything I have ever done or wrtten.

You are the dying breed, DDD. You’re stuck in the past. The world is awakening to you backwards Libs and has been kicking you to the curb. You’ve only enjoyed a brief resurgence recently thanks to your underhanded engineered efforts to paint Bush as the model Con/Repub. Once that blows over you Libs is done.

August 5, 2008 at 11:35 PM 
Anonymous Bob said...


RR said "You are the dying breed, DDD. You’re stuck in the past. The world is awakening to you backwards Libs and has been kicking you to the curb."

Well, I guess we will have a chance to see. If Obama wins, I would expect RR to offer you an apology and admit that he's the dying breed.

August 6, 2008 at 8:18 AM 
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August 6, 2008 at 10:24 AM 
Anonymous r said...

Umm, there is no way B. Hussein Obama can win on “actual merits”, DDD. He is the Affirmative Action Candidate and grossly u8nderqualified for the job, after all.

And now to rip apart BB’s childish grasping hurt feelings “reasoning”… (Dude, you really are boring and none too bright.)

There is a school of thought which holds that having a Radical Liberal like Obama with more Rad Libs controlling the Congress may just prove to be the best thing to ever happen for the Get Rid of Filthy Libism Once and For All movement. After several years of that crap folks will be reminded of how much they hate you guys and all the harmful, backward, misguided, hateful, divisive, childish idiocy you stand for and they’ll be clamoring for “change”.

August 6, 2008 at 11:24 AM 
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August 6, 2008 at 11:35 AM 
Anonymous randal said...

You’re gonna have to define “successful”, DDD.

Yeah, umm, somehow I don’t think The People like LibDems ignoring their will and doing whatever they want… blocking debate and vote on drilling… obstructing efforts to get things like Gay Marriage and Affirmative Action on referendums… inflicting their ill-timed and expensive non-solutions for energy and environment which will only further cripple our economy… Stuff like that. Witness the Lib Congress 9% (!) approval rating –much lower than even unpopular Bush.

Besides, the signs that Libism is sinking are all over the place. It’s been getting shown the door everywhere in recent years, Europe, Canada, South America… Like I said, this brief resurgence in popularity here in the U.S. is nothing more than the yeild of Lying Lib engineered dishonest attacks on Bush –who could hardly be called a traditional Con or Repub.

August 6, 2008 at 12:02 PM 
Anonymous Bob said...


Can you believe RR? This is downright comical! Lets see. He say's Obama can't win on actual merits, and while doing so, he emphasizes Obama's middle name "Hussein"! I guess if RR is still trying to make Obama's middle name an issue, one would have to wonder what RR considers "actual Merits".

But I do have to agree with RR on one thing. He admits to being a dick, and who can disagree with that.

August 6, 2008 at 8:28 PM 
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August 7, 2008 at 10:43 AM 
Anonymous r said...

What does cowardly treason and White Guilt taste like, DDD?

August 8, 2008 at 10:57 AM 

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