Tuesday, October 28, 2008

A Young American Pol Pot

If Bill Ayers and his wife had succeeded during their Weather Underground days.

FBI informant Larry Grathwohl:

I asked, “Well what is going to happen to those people we can’t reeducate, that are diehard capitalists?” And the reply was that they’d have to be eliminated.

And when I pursued this further, they estimated they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these reeducation centers.

And when I say “eliminate,” I mean “kill.”

Twenty-five million people.

I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees, from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people.

"And they were dead serious."

As Ayers said in 2001, about his days as a revolutionary, "We didn't do enough."


Anonymous Anonymous said...

In 1973, the charges against the Weather Underground were dropped when it revealed that the FBI had engaged in illegal tactics in their undercover operations.
The Weather Underground would send out evacuation notices before they bombed places they felt were linked to the war in Vietnam and related policies. They made these advanced announcement to avoid killing people.
The claim that they wanted to kill 25 million is not believable nor consistent with their record.

October 28, 2008 at 10:34 AM 
Anonymous r said...

Liberals aren't very tolerant.
And the Daves defend these sort of people...
Can anyone imagine DDD getting to decide who lives and who dies? Scary.

October 28, 2008 at 12:16 PM 
Blogger Spencerblog said...

Readers can decide for themselves, what William Ayers and his terrorist buddies wanted for America.

Here is some of the interview with the FBI's Grathwohl.

Pajamas Media: You stated in your interview in No Place to Hide that you wanted us to “imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees, from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people.” A lot of people have now had the opportunity to listen to you, and contemplate the horrors these people planned. Can you recall who these people are by name, and who the ringleaders of this plan were?

Larry Grathwohl: Conversations regarding this occurred in Cincinnati, Detroit, Flint, and Buffalo. Participants included Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Mark Rudd, Linda Evans, Jeff Jones, and many others.

Pajamas Media: Was this merely an academic matter to them, or were they serious about killing 25 million Americans that would not bend to their political will?

Larry Grathwohl: I suppose you could consider this a purely academic discussion in that the Weathermen never had the opportunity to implement their political ends. However, I can assure you that this was not the case. There was an absolute belief that they, along with the international revolutionary movement, would cause the collapse of the United States and that they would be in charge. Nixon was of great concern and how his end would be conducted. This may sound absurd in today’s context, but the Weatherman believed they would succeed...


Larry Grathwohl: The instructions I received from Billy Ayers was that the bombs to be used in Detroit must have shrapnel (fence staples, specifically) and fire potential (propane bottles). The intention was to kill police officers.

Pajamas Media: One of the Detroit bombs was to be placed on the side of the DPOA building, and the blast was likely to cause damage to the adjacent Red Barn Restaurant, which had mostly African-American customers. Who ordered the attack, and what did he say when you told him that innocent civilians would be killed?

Larry Grathwohl: When I objected to Billy Ayers that more innocent people would be killed in the restaurant, he replied, “Innocent people have to die in a revolution.” Billy also acknowledged during a criticism session in Buffalo that Bernadine placed the bomb at the Park Police Station which resulted in the death of Police Officer McDonnell.

Nice. Those were the day's eh?

Anyone who defends the Weather Underground and their tactics for revolution is scum. So best to do it anonymously.

October 28, 2008 at 12:18 PM 
Anonymous Bob said...

Gil - I couldn't agree with you more. But lets take that to the next step. Anyone who defends the killing of innocents, even in a war, is scum. When I think of terror, the one picture that pops into my head is that of the young Vietnamese girl running down the road, her clothes shredded, and her skin burning from napalm. That is terror. There is no doubt in my mind that the people of Vietnam felt extreme terror everytime they heard the roar of John McCains A-4 Skyhawk.

October 28, 2008 at 12:48 PM 
Blogger Spencerblog said...

Sorry Bob,

There is a rather large difference between the Weather Underground and the U.S. Air Force.

During war, innocent may civilians. Even under a President Barack Obama who, as a Commander in Chief, has to order an air-strike somewhere might be responsible for the death of some innocent people.

You can mourn death of innocent civilians, just as you can respect the enemy combatants who fight and die for their cause.

There is nothing scummy about that.

If you're a pacifist be a pacifist. Fine.

Remember what Billy Ayers was suggesting. The killing of 25 million FELLOW Americans so as to bring about a Marxist Revolution and socialist paradise to the U.S.

Bombing building, killing police officers and others in an effort to make that happen is simply evil.

October 28, 2008 at 1:05 PM 
Anonymous r said...

Anyone who defends the Weather Underground and their tactics for revolution is scum. So best to do it anonymously.

You got that right. And anyone who would associate with him by sitting on boards with him and launching their political career in his home is scum too.
How can this guy even be a professor at an American university subsidized by tax dollars? This says a great deal about the Liberals who control Higher Education, who they hire and the programming they are inflicting on the students in their charge. Every parent sending a kid there should pull them out and stop payment on the tuition check.

Sorry Bob,

There is a rather large difference between the Weather Underground and the U.S. Air Force.

Lol… Someone else finally said it.
It seems BB has been hanging around with Dishonest Dave too much. I am sure everyone has noticed the tone of his posts has changed, now devoid of intellectual honesty and more Blame America First-y/ say anything to sully McCain-y than before. Them Politics of Hurt Feelings are a b****.
So much for all that "change" and "unity".

October 28, 2008 at 1:34 PM 
Blogger Patrick said...

I love how guys like Gil say you can decide for yourself and present a slanted argument devoid of context.

People where dropping acid back then and it was thought to free your mind or whatever. There was a war with a draft, where the countries poorest where shipped off to a war they didn't want. But that was then, this is now.

To contextualize this with a story from Pajama sources is not journalism, its agenda pushing.

Gil I guess you post this stuff to present a question about Obama's judgement? Yet, one thing is quite clear to the American people, and that is the person who has presented themselves has having sound judgement and a level head throughout this endless campaign is Obama.

Can you even objectively question that? You may not like his policies, but his judgement, temperament and composure in a crisis is the last thing you can question. in other word his leadership.

and as soon as the average American sees Ayers' name they know its red meat for the base, and doesn't speak to them about what really maters. Their 401k, the value of their home and their job.

How about doing a few stories about persons who are directly effected by this crisis? How about my dad, now 67 who will now probably have to work till he's well past 70.

this is just sad.

October 28, 2008 at 4:53 PM 
Blogger Spencerblog said...

I love the idea that Barack Obama is going to do something about anybody's 401k.

Like what?

The economic policies I hear him espouse; higher taxes, more protectionism, more government spending and regulating, hardly seems an effort to boost the value of anybody's 401k.

October 28, 2008 at 6:38 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

restoring a stable economy will boost the 401K's as will regulating the investment industry.

October 28, 2008 at 7:00 PM 
Blogger Patrick said...

well Gil then you don't understand 401ks. like you don't understand baseball's rules.

See a 401k is a tax free fund in which you can put money aside for your retirement. This is invested into funds run buy investment banks. They pool your cash into stocks.

Have you noticed that the stock market has crashed today's advance aside as there was a hedge dump which signals future trouble... anyway.

That means people like my dad have to work longer to even be able to retire and enjoy a life of work

McCain thinks that the market is just fine, and we can leave them be and let them fix it themselves. Obama wants to adds some protections to the process, and actually regulate the ebb and flow of submarkets and trading of debt like its a Mike Schmidt rookie card. Having worked at a major house that was recently sold off, I can tell you first hand that there is alot of sleeze and waste going on. Its about hitting level to make bonus. A bonus that could be worth 4 million.Its the upsale approach but they are selling fries.

And you know full well Obama isn't going to raise taxes on vast majority of people in DelCo. and I'd be willing to bet not yours either.

and how can and conservative lecture a progressive about spending. Two Words ... GEORGE BUSH.

October 28, 2008 at 7:20 PM 
Anonymous r said...

Hey! This thread is about how Obama hangs around with terrorists. Back on topic…

Here’s a new story about Obama cavorting with his terrorist buddies but the Lib Press is again covering for him:


October 28, 2008 at 8:10 PM 
Anonymous Bob said...

Sorry Gil, but just because an act of violence is sanctioned by the U.S.A., as was the case in Vietnam and Iraq, it doesn’t make it right, acceptable, or any less of an act of terror. You may feel comfortable saying that the death of innocents is just an unfortunate side effect of war, but I guarantee you wouldn’t feel the same way if it were one of your own. You’re a bright man. You know that our government has militarily and financially supported “freedom fighters” all over the world to protect our corporate and ideological interests. In some cases, they worked to destabilize and overthrow democratically elected governments, as was the case with Iran in 1953. We have engaged in, and sponsored acts of terrorism since the late 1800’s. To deny that, is to deny history. I’m not a pacifist. I believe in defending the homeland. I had no problem with the attempt to destroy Bin Laden. But unnecessary acts of aggression, based on lies and cherry picked intelligence, are acts of terrorism, and those responsible should be brought to justice.

October 28, 2008 at 8:11 PM 
Blogger Spencerblog said...

Patrick -
For someone who doesn't seem to know the difference between "tax-deferred" and "tax-free" you're pretty loose with your insults.

Bob -
Glad to hear you would be willing to defend the homeland. I assume you would be willing to defend it against domestic terrorist revolutionaries like Billy Ayers, his wife, and his bomb-planting buddies.

October 28, 2008 at 9:08 PM 
Blogger Pro Christ Pro Gun said...

None of Hussein's economic policies promotes growth. Remember that in 2 years if he is elected, and your 401(k) gets reduced to dust. Hussein is going to be very bad for the future of America. I can't believe that any rational thinking human could ever buy into his change mantra, as though it will be good. He will bring about change that will not be pretty.

October 28, 2008 at 9:10 PM 
Anonymous Bob said...

Gil - I have served to defend my country. And would you find the time to march on the White House if you knew your government was waging an illegal war? Would you be willing to take up arms against your own government if it violated the constitution and turned its military loose on it's own citizens? Were the founding fathers terrorists? I never did get an answer to an earlier question. How many people did big Bill Ayers actually kill?Patriotism, love of country, is not love of government.

October 28, 2008 at 9:30 PM 
Anonymous Bob said...

Scott - Nothing is going to be pretty about the next two years, regardless of who wins the election. Hell, you're not getting any prettier either.

October 28, 2008 at 9:35 PM 
Blogger Patrick said...

yes tax deferred and yes that is a huge difference. my bad. I'm not a tax expert by any means but doesn't the Roth 401k have tax free options? Wasn't that part of the Bush tax cuts of 2001? again. I'm hardly a tax expert, but I do understand my bottom line and right now my 401 k is down 50%.

and sure my tone was snide, but if you keep calling Obama a tax and spender based on a plan that raises taxes for the top 5% well, you just don't get it.

Why is the name of Ayers being pushed around? Why do people still spread the meme that Obama got his political start in his house, that he has some radical pre world war I political agenda. right cause they lose on the issues, so change the narrative.

The reality is that Obama, if elected, will be a centralist. He will bring in the brightest, work with both parties.

I'll check back next spring and we'll see how its going.


October 28, 2008 at 10:27 PM 
Blogger Spencerblog said...


Fair enough. We all make mistakes. Right.

I just don't get the basis for believing that Obama will govern from the center.

He is one of the most liberal senators in the Senate. And even if he were disposed to govern from the center what makes you think that a Democratically controlled senate and house will let him?

Anyway, one thing we can agree on... Go Phils.

October 28, 2008 at 11:06 PM 
Blogger Patrick said...

Well Gil, you ask why would he.. cause he is not stupid thats why. It doesn't take a great historian to look back to 1994 now does it. If Obama wins with 375 plus electoral votes like some say he will. And lets say somehow the Senate is 60-40 and the house remains firm for the Dems... that is the R nightmare right? thing is if he isn't centralist, isn't inclusive, Newt happens. so yeah. what makes me think that is that Obama is a smart guy. Ask McCain he'll confirm it.

October 28, 2008 at 11:41 PM 
Blogger Spencerblog said...

I never said he wasn't smart. He has certainly been lucky in so far as events have cut his way.

But centrist?

I'm not from Missouri but I have friends there. He's going to have to show me.

October 28, 2008 at 11:47 PM 
Anonymous r said...

Some weepers are still whining about “illegal” wars and calling American soldiers “terrorists”. Still? Why haven’t all these Blame America First folks left by now if they hate America so much?

October 29, 2008 at 2:25 PM 

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