Friday, January 2, 2009
posted by Spencerblog at
Yeah, our own military men are afraid of Obama as commander-in-chief while our terrorist enemies and despots all like him. So which do the dopes go along with when they entered the voting booth back in November?... Idiots. Military votes should count twice that of welfare queen votes.
that means 40% are certain and are not pessimistic if the 60% breaks 30% uncertain and 30% pessimistic given that, we have 70% not pessimistic"“Those numbers don’t convince me he has got a big problem on his hands because what he is seeing is not military hostility, but rather military caution, and caution that is reasonable because he has never been in the position of this office,” Feaver said. “It’s sensible and understandable that they have doubts about him.it's still better than bush.
what are you running for in 2009 diano? I'm sure Gil breaches the subject for a reason.
Gil - 33% optimistic vs 25% pessimistic, and he hasn't even been sworn in. This is an issue?Steve - You said " I'm sure Gil breaches the subject for a reason."And that reason is?
They should be wary. A lot of the things he had to say to get elected will have a serious impact on them or their comrades. Whether or not he fulfills all his "things you have to say to get elected" are yet to be seen. He's already backed off some of his bold troop withdrawal time lines and other "promises" that he would obviously be unable to keep.
I thought the military and military families would be dancing in the streets when Obama won the election?I'm still waiting for the day it's supposed to rain lollipops.
e - Obamas Time lines? The time line idea that the Bush administration opposed? The time line idea that the Bush administration ended up agreeing to? Oh wait. I'm wrong. That was a time horizon wasn't it?
Notice how only our two resident anti-military Libs have played the numbers parsing game here. There's no spinning it: our military boys hate Obama. Well, except the black ones who undoubtedly only like him because he be black too...eight out of 10 black service members — said they are optimistic about their incoming boss.If anything, this "historic" election showed us that blacks put race above all else.
Israel is wary of Obama too: http://www.nypost.com/seven/01012009/news/columnists/bam_stirs_fears_in_israel_146762.htmWhy the heck American Jews voted for him is anyone's guess.
Randal - What else are you smoking? Go back and read the stats. 33% pro Obama, 25% against, the rest not sure. And from those figures you conclude that the military hates Obama?LOLOL! I would try to explain why American Jews voted for Obama, but I would obviously be wasting my time.
Bahhhhb:President Obama (who will be sworn in as Barack Hussein Obama) will certainly receive more respect from conservatives like me than tolerant liberals like you and Diano gave to Bush. I have said it repeatedly and you just dont get it - your side is only tolerant of your view, and you keep repeating the lib lies and people believe them. Come over to our side and join the fight!C. Scott Shields, Esquirewww.cscottshields.com
bob not only that but the majority of military vets under age 60 voted for obama. mccain got the majority of vets over 60.
Yeah Bob, the time lines. They were never realistic and now that he got elected and starts talking to people who know what they are talking about and people who know what the military can and can't do, he has backed off of them. Bush is old news bro. He only has 15 days left. I hope you are as vigilant when it comes to Obama's misleading statements. The bottom line is Obama said what people wanted to hear and it got him elected. Now lets see what he does with it.
I hope you are as vigilant when it comes to Obama's misleading statements.No likely. Hurt Feelings hypocrite Libs like the Bobs and Daves don't much care about things like parity or fairness ...honesty...
Randal, Scott, E, Steve - answer the question - Go back and read the stats. 33% pro Obama, 25% against, the rest not sure. How, from those figures, can you conclude that the military hates Obama?These are the great minds of the conservative movement! I love it! E makes up his own stats, Randal can't answer a direct question, and Scott is so beaten down, he's resorted to calling me names! He pokes fun at Obamas name, and he won't use his own first name. A name he should be proud of. Carter. Like Jimmy Carter. The chicken hawks coming home to roost! LOLNo wonder you morons lost the election. No one is buying your BS anymore.
Bob,What are you talking about? What "stats" did I make up? And I never said the Military hates Obama, what I'm saying is they should be wary of him because he says whatever he needs to say to make weak minded people vote for him, whether or not he can actually do it. Therefore no one knows what he is really going to do. It's the same reason I'm wary of him. The difference between me and you is that my candidate lost, but I wish the winner all the luck in the world. I WANT Obama to do good! I am an American, not a Republican or a Democrat. If he fails so does our country. I think you have a serious reading comprehension problem bro...
Carter - Come over to your side? Your side is so decimated that it needs its own Marshall plan. I don't want to be a member of the side of intolerance and racial bigotry. I dont want to be a member of the side that wants the country to look like Dodge City in the old west. I dont want to base my life on a book, or a religion, full of fairy tales, myths,and superstitions. I know agnostics, athiests, and gays that are much more Christ like than you will ever be. You have no side Carter. Just a rag tag army of defeated E type sheep who play follow the leader to the voices of Hannity and Rush. And I wouldn't ask you to join our side, because you Carter, will never get it.Remember what Gil told you. "The Bible told me so" is not an argument.
Oh, grow up BB. You really sound like a shrill child.
Bob- The military families are going to love Obama if he gets rid of the backdoor draft with all those extended tours.
E - These stats. "Bob, you might be surprised to know that 99% (if not 100%) of our service members have either enlisted or re-enlisted since the war in Iraq began." Whats your source?
R - We can always count on you to add something educational and positive to the mix. Tell me again what branch of the military you served in. Oh wait, you were a cheerleader! Thats right.You and Bush. Poodle skirts and pom poms.
Bob,Number of Active US Military Service Members=1.44 millionMax number of years of enlistment/re-enlistment= 6 years (puts us in Jan 2003 when we were mobilizing for Iraq)Number of personnel effected by Stop-loss orders= 12,235 (as of 3/08)Average time spent on Stop-loss= 6.6 monthsIf we assume that there are still 12,235 service members on Stop-loss orders and we assume that all of those 12,235 are being kept from ending their time in service (and not a Stop-loss from PCS or permanent change of duty station) and we assume that all of those 12,235 being effected by Stop-loss were 6 year enlistments/re-enlistments (which is highly unlikely), you are at .85% of Active Military personnel. Assuming the worst case scenario for each stat puts the figure at less than 1% who enlisted prior to the start of the war in Iraq (and have not re-enlisted since) and are still on Active duty. That's why I said (if not 100%). I'm sure it's possible that out of the 12,235 on Stop loss orders, there might be several who enlisted for the maximum 6 years between June 2002 and January 2003, never re-enlisted in the 6 years, and were caught up in a Stop Loss in the past 6 months keeping them from ETS. But it is also possible that this "perfect storm" of worst case scenario's is not occurring right now.
E - To be more specific, I should have used your full quote. You claim that these people all enlisted or re-enlisted to finish the job in Iraq. Total BS.I don't believe you have any stats to back up that claim. People join the military for many reasons. To finish the job in Iraq would probably be at the bottom of the list at this time.The reference to the military hating Obama was a claim made by Randal, and I was speaking to Randal. As for you wanting Obama to do good, I felt the same way about Bush when he was first elected. Unfortunately he was a failure, responsible for the deaths of over 4200 of our finest, and the deaths of close to 100,000 Iraqi civilians. Read the editorial in todays Times to get a better idea of the position that I take. It pretty much speaks for me. You say you are worried about Obama saying one thing and doing another. Were you born yesterday? This was an election. McCain did the same thing. This surprises you? Do you remember Bush saying that he would not be into nation building? I think you need a reality check.....BRO
Your "argument" here lacks all credibility, BB. Your expressed treason has cancelled out any good you did with your military service. Serving in the military for a short period does not grant one life-long license to be a traitor under the guise of "dissent". Sorry. I have a whole lot more respect for folks who never served but who have also not turned against their own country due to their petty hurt feelings.
Carter _ You are so full of S**T. You talk of how much respect Obama will get from "Conservatives like you", and in the same post you continue to try to smear Obama by making an issue out of the mans middle name! That's your idea of respect?
In the Daily Times today was yet another of many whiny Lib editorials crying about Bush and the Iraq war. It weeped on all the usual same tired old points: Bush lied, war dead scorekeeping, no WMDs, “mission accomplished”, Osama still on the loose, blahweepblahweep… It sounded like Boring Bob and Dishonest Dave wrote it! Lol… Actually, I think it is exactly the same editorial the Libs at the DT have run before from time to time only with a couple sentences added to make it applicable to recent events. How long ya think ‘til these Hurt Feelings folks stop their crying and piling on?
Oh yes- treason. Lets see. That would be the outing of Plame. Or lying to the public to get us into a war, wouldn't it?Whats your excuse for never serving Randal? A boil on your ass like your hero, Rush Limbaugh? Or maybe you were like Cheney. You had better things to do. But more likely than not, you're just a coward.
Bobby,You quoted me correctly. You were not quoting me correctly in your last post. What I said was "Bob, you might be surprised to know that 99% (if not 100%) of our service members have either enlisted or re-enlisted since the war in Iraq began. Surely not all of them are pro- President Bush. But almost all (if not all) of them have put their hand on the bible and signed up to go over and complete that mission.".... and I stand by it. I'm sure that it is possible that some person may have enlisted in the military in the past 6 years and prior to joining they had no knowledge of the Global War on Terrorism. I don't need a statistic to tell me that almost all (if not all) of the service members who enlisted/re-enlisted over the past 6 years knew there was a war in Iraq when they took their oath. Common sense tells me that.This is like arguing with a child...
E - You say "But almost all (if not all) of them have put their hand on the bible and signed up to go over and complete that mission.".... and I stand by it.I know a lot of people in the military. I know very few that are there because they are dedicated to the invasion and occupation of Iraq. True, some have a desire to serve their country, but just as many are there for financial reasons, or for the promise of an education. I know you don't like to hear that, but that's just the way it is. FYI, the war in Iraq had nothing to do with the war on terror. It was an Imperialistic venture.If anything, it redirected valuable resources that could have, and should have been used in the war on terror.This is like cleaning a stable full of well fed horses......
Yeah, E, the Weeping Bobs like to pretend that ours in not an all volunteer military. Lol... Kinda makes it hard to justify their childish "arguments" on behalf of our soldiers. They knew what they were getting themselves into when the signed up. Period. Besides, our boys in uniform are overwhelmingly Righties. They hate the Hate America First Lying Libs as much as the rest of us do.
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