Danny, You called it. You are right and right. We would bow in your honor, but that has already been cheapened by Obama's bowing to every third-world tribal chief.
Nice that whoever put this piece together would use a picture of just any burning car to make a point. Reminds me of the time FOX news ran a story about "union thugs" in Wisconsin. Only problem was, there were palm trees in the background of the video. Why do people feel the need to lie or embelish to make a point? Like when FOX kept saying over 50% of the people in this country "pay no tax" when the real story was that they pay no Federal Tax. Or when Breitbart edited the Shirley Sherrod video. Not that Republicans or conservatives have the market cornered. Michael Moore has made an art of this with his "staged" documentaries, or as Gil recently pointed out to me, the doctored environmental figures. Point being, if you're going to post a story about burning Chevy Volts, don't post a picture of a burning Ford Escape (or whatever it is) just to get the drum majors for failure all fired up.
Squirrel - Thanks for the picture, but again, more hype. Keep in mind that the Volt fires in question happened during crash tests, and were the result of leaking fluids. The fires erupted days after the crash tests took place in a controled environment. The garage fire picture that you offered was the only recorded incident involving the Volt other than the crash tests. The Volt was in the garage with a Suzuki that the owner himself had converted to Elec. The owner, a volunteer firefighter, along with others say they believe the Volt was a victim of the fire, but not the cause. Regardless, the critics of the Volt will try to use this to make their point. But please, don't take my word for it. Research it for yourself.
I never, ever said I wanted GM to fail, I am the proud owner of a Chevy Silverado! What I do not want, Bob, is the government to "bailout" a business and then tell them what to build, which then fails. It proves to me, AGAIN, that the government should never be in business. They ruin everything. They can't sell them even with gas being at $4.00 a gallon now. People don't want electric. Of course with all the coal plants shut down by the Obama Administration now, electricity production will now be created by what? We should already have started 30 Nuke plants, but the libs won't let it happen!
I never appreciated Obama's tired metaphor about the economy being driven into a ditch. Until now. And I see exactly what he was driving into that ditch.
The truck I drive is a 2007 General Motors Chevy, Bob. Government Motors started in 2009. So I beat the issue!! Still have it, and will for long time!!
But I can park my truck in my garage and not worry about it burning down. It's the little things.
No, I was against the bail out. As I have said many, many times, I am convinced that government should never be picking winners or losers! The free market is the secret.
We all know the bailout was for the UAW pension plan, not the car company. Didn't you see the Michigan campaign rally, oops...it wasn't campaigning because the taxpayers paid for the trip. Just fraud on top of fraud.
Danny - Of course you were against the bail out. So was jake. You guys are against anything that might make Obama look good regardless of how it affects the rest of the country. When he nailed Bin Laden, you and jake had to go on antidepressants. jake still hasn't come to grips with that one.
Of course we were against the bail out. Got news for you, I was against both of Bush's bailouts as well. All three increased our debt to questionably improve our economy and I'm not convinced any of them worked: -Bush's Bailout #1 followed the recession after the tech bubble. I think the housing market and its predatory lending really gave us 'growth'. also helped with the "Employee pricing" period from automakers selling big SUVs
-Bush's bailout #2 in 2006? - married couples got $1,800 - guess what we spent it on? What did everyone spend it on? Did it work? We know what happened in 2008.
-Obama's bailout went to government departments. I'm convinced that it rushed forward transportation project that were going to happen anyway which may harm work volume down the line. That and helping USDOT increase the number of six figure salary employees, of course...
Bob, Why don't you answer some questions for a change?
When will the taxpayers get back the billions of dollars of bailout money that Obama forgave?
Isn't it ludicrous for Government Motors to talk about turning a profit when billions of their debt will never be repaid?
What makes the UAW so special that their members were given special pension protection that no other workers in any other industry received?
The Volt is small, dangerous, underpowered and ridiculously expensive, the bastard child of bureaucratic meddling and environmental cluelessness. What makes a marginally-intelligent, incredibly naive community organizer so full of himself that he thinks he can dictate what kind of car Americans ought to drive?
Jake - President Obama made the tough and politically unpopular decision to extend emergency rescue loans to the American auto industry, saving more than 1.4 million jobs and preventing the loss of over $96 billion in personal income—and the collapse of manufacturing in the Midwest. GM and Chrysler were required to cut labor costs and overhaul their business models in exchange for emergency loans, guaranteeing their accountability to taxpayers—and both repaid their outstanding loans years ahead of schedule. Today, the Big Three (Chrysler, GM, and Ford) are all profitable for the first time in years, adding shifts and facilities across the country. The industry has added 200,000 jobs in the last two-and-a-half years, and GM is once again the top-selling automaker in the world—posting its largest-ever annual profit in 2011.
Jake - The Volt. Yea, it's expensive, I'll give you that. Dangerous? I doubt it. It did win car of the year, and I just recieved my latest copy of Consumer Reports. The Volt is one of their recomended cars to buy. But look at the way you posed the question, Jake. You obviously have a lot of anger.
Bob, Put down your MSDNC playbook and skip the psychobabble.
And don't mix Ford up with those other two freeloaders. They're profitable at no cost to the taxpayers, which raises serious doubts as to whether the bailouts were even necessary.
How hard is it to turn a profit when the government gives you the money and then forgives the debt? Fiat sure appreciates our money.
There was nothing "tough or politically unpopular" about Obama's bailout. The UAW is Obama's union base. He was just throwing more of our money to his corrupt cronies.
These bailouts were a sad chapter in American history. Like Solyndra, Keystone Pipeline and all the Obamacare waivers, you cannot have the government deciding to reward their business friends with our tax dollars.
Well Jake, if you worked for GM you would probably be singing a different tune. And if Obama had decided to let GM go under, you would also be singing a different tune. I guess you would have preferred to see over a million more people out of work, collecting unemployment and using food stamps. Because you know damn well that's what would have happened.
Bob, According to you, President Bush was evil incarnate. Now it's just fine for your "hope and change" shyster to act the same way. It must be convenient to have selective amnesia to go with your partisan moral outrage.
Jake - Its obvious that Bush will go down in history as one of the nations worst presidents for his invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation. And yet he's probably one of your heros. Can you name anything that Obama has done that you like?
Your hatred of the man blinds you to fact, Bob. That 'sovereign' nation, run by a dictator and his bloodlusted children, never stopped being at war with us after Gulf1. They took shots at our pilots and aircrew enforcing the no-fly zone a few times every week. They ignored the UN resolutions for transparency in their nuclear program. You blame Bush. I blame the UN for forcing us to do what they didn't want to, being complicit and lining their pockets in illegal oil-for-food deals like Kofi's kid. You say we went to Iraq on a lie. I say we went because it needed to be done. There were mistakes made in Iraq. The mistakes of Iraq were it's timing and the dissolution of it's military when Baghdad fell. Whoever was responsible for the post-invasion stabilization failed all of us.
Don't lecture people about that 'sovereign nation' unless you've actually been there. I have, and I will call you on it every time you bring it up.
Squirrel - Let's get something straight here. You're not the only one on here that's served in the military, so try not to allow your service to cloud your perception of reality. Iraq was a sovereign nation. Look it up. Sadam was a powerful bad guy, but he became a powerful bad guy with our help. Look it up. Iraq was contained and impotent. The country was devestated by sanctions. Look it up. We were sold a bill of goods by the Bush adm. called weapons of mass destruction based on lies, cherry picked intel., and a not so reliable source nicknamed Curve Ball, He was a cousin of Chalabi who German officials warned was an unreliable source. It's not like we weren't warned. Joe Wilson, Hans Blix, Ridder, Bob Graham. Inspectors were actively working in Iraq prior to the invasion, and if memory serves, were given 48 hrs. by the US to leave. Nicholson said it best "you can't handle the truth." Write back when you locate the WMD's.
You can put your cape down, Captain Hindsight, your predictability made it easy to type 1/2 of this before I even read your response.
You speak of cherry picking of fact, while you do the same. The simple FACT of it all is that Iraq had WMD and used it & it couldn't be established that it still existed or not by the left's beloved UN, so it's funny/sad you mention Blix as a pillar of your point. He wanted more time to look because he didn't know, not that it didn't exist. Don't try to create a diversion from my points with a halfassed history lesson that I already know. I already stated that I didn't like the timing, nor the transition, but I'll support the mission based on the ENTIRE list of reasons that it happened. WMD was a main reason, yes, but you ignore the other reasons. How about Saddam's safe haven policy for his terrorist friends, like Abu Nidal? How about the regime's torture and murder of it's own people? We went to Bosnia and Kosovo for the same reasons, so how can that not be considered? Oh, wait... Cliton put us there so it's excusable.
I'm guessing you'll say that Libya was a real threat, immune from being "contained and impotent"? How did that one work out for us? Will you blame Bush for the thousands of shoulder fired SAMs 'lost' in Libya suddenly begin taking down our civilian or military aircraft?
Is Iran containable? How about Syria? You'll blindly support BO if he initiates military action against either of them. Why? Because you're a blind leftist loyalist... nothing more. At least I can spread my criticisms around, regardless of party.
I originally had you figured as a level headed opposite point of view from me that could be debated with a level of maturity. What I found was a child-like drone that will parrot the party line and always has to have the last word.
I also would thank you for your service but re-reading your 1st point, I can't determine if you actually served. Since your credibility is now null, I won't...
Go ahead and have the last word, Bob. It's inevitable that you'll take it. It's in your nature.
Squirrel - LOL ! Nice tirade. But thanks for giving me the last word. You write "Don't lecture people about that 'sovereign nation' unless you've actually been there." For you to assume that one has to have actually been to a place before commenting on it is hilarious. You've been to Iran? Lybia? Syria? Oh, and Iraq had WMD? Really? Now I know why you're known as the Squirrel.
I can't believe you got to post this before me!! ROFLMAO!!
ReplyDeleteDon't park it in the garage, man!!!
Danny,
ReplyDeleteYou called it.
You are right and right.
We would bow in your honor, but that has already been cheapened by Obama's bowing to every third-world tribal chief.
It's amazing how giddy and excited Danny and jake get when they think GM is failing at something.
ReplyDeleteBTW, the car in the photo isn't the Volt.
Nice that whoever put this piece together would use a picture of just any burning car to make a point. Reminds me of the time FOX news ran a story about "union thugs" in Wisconsin. Only problem was, there were palm trees in the background of the video. Why do people feel the need to lie or embelish to make a point? Like when FOX kept saying over 50% of the people in this country "pay no tax" when the real story was that they pay no Federal Tax. Or when Breitbart edited the Shirley Sherrod video. Not that Republicans or conservatives have the market cornered. Michael Moore has made an art of this with his "staged" documentaries, or as Gil recently pointed out to me, the doctored environmental figures. Point being, if you're going to post a story about burning Chevy Volts, don't post a picture of a burning Ford Escape (or whatever it is) just to get the drum majors for failure all fired up.
ReplyDeleteWho knew unicorn farts and hope could spontaneously combust?
ReplyDeleteHere's your pic, Bob.
http://sadhillnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/chevy-volt-garage-sad-hill-news-1.jpg
Squirrel - Thanks for the picture, but again, more hype. Keep in mind that the Volt fires in question happened during crash tests, and were the result of leaking fluids. The fires erupted days after the crash tests took place in a controled environment. The garage fire picture that you offered was the only recorded incident involving the Volt other than the crash tests. The Volt was in the garage with a Suzuki that the owner himself had converted to Elec. The owner, a volunteer firefighter, along with others say they believe the Volt was a victim of the fire, but not the cause. Regardless, the critics of the Volt will try to use this to make their point. But please, don't take my word for it. Research it for yourself.
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ReplyDeleteRead a post which suggested they replace the airbags with marshmallows. No sense in wasting a good fire.
ReplyDeletejake - ROFLMAO!! not
ReplyDeleteI never, ever said I wanted GM to fail, I am the proud owner of a Chevy Silverado! What I do not want, Bob, is the government to "bailout" a business and then tell them what to build, which then fails. It proves to me, AGAIN, that the government should never be in business. They ruin everything. They can't sell them even with gas being at $4.00 a gallon now. People don't want electric.
ReplyDeleteOf course with all the coal plants shut down by the Obama Administration now, electricity production will now be created by what? We should already have started 30 Nuke plants, but the libs won't let it happen!
Danny - If your a big fan of GM, you sure have a funny way of showing it. Were you for the bailout?
ReplyDeleteI never appreciated Obama's tired metaphor about the economy being driven into a ditch.
ReplyDeleteUntil now.
And I see exactly what he was driving into that ditch.
The truck I drive is a 2007 General Motors Chevy, Bob. Government Motors started in 2009. So I beat the issue!! Still have it, and will for long time!!
ReplyDeleteBut I can park my truck in my garage and not worry about it burning down. It's the little things.
Danny - But did you support the bail out?
ReplyDeleteNo, I was against the bail out. As I have said many, many times, I am convinced that government should never be picking winners or losers! The free market is the secret.
ReplyDeleteWe all know the bailout was for the UAW pension plan, not the car company.
ReplyDeleteDidn't you see the Michigan campaign rally, oops...it wasn't campaigning because the taxpayers paid for the trip.
Just fraud on top of fraud.
Danny - Thanks. That answers my question.
ReplyDeleteDanny - Of course you were against the bail out. So was jake. You guys are against anything that might make Obama look good regardless of how it affects the rest of the country. When he nailed Bin Laden, you and jake had to go on antidepressants. jake still hasn't come to grips with that one.
ReplyDeleteBob, are you in tears over this one?
ReplyDeleteOf course we were against the bail out. Got news for you, I was against both of Bush's bailouts as well. All three increased our debt to questionably improve our economy and I'm not convinced any of them worked:
-Bush's Bailout #1 followed the recession after the tech bubble. I think the housing market and its predatory lending really gave us 'growth'. also helped with the "Employee pricing" period from automakers selling big SUVs
-Bush's bailout #2 in 2006? - married couples got $1,800 - guess what we spent it on? What did everyone spend it on? Did it work? We know what happened in 2008.
-Obama's bailout went to government departments. I'm convinced that it rushed forward transportation project that were going to happen anyway which may harm work volume down the line. That and helping USDOT increase the number of six figure salary employees, of course...
Steve - Why would I be in tears? Most of what I read and hear has GM on the comeback, and more than a million jobs were saved by this move.
ReplyDeleteDo you believe he did it out of the goodness of his heart and not because of his connections to his constituents in the UAW?
ReplyDeleteBob,
ReplyDeleteWhy don't you answer some questions for a change?
When will the taxpayers get back the billions of dollars of bailout money that Obama forgave?
Isn't it ludicrous for Government Motors to talk about turning a profit when billions of their debt will never be repaid?
What makes the UAW so special that their members were given special pension protection that no other workers in any other industry received?
The Volt is small, dangerous, underpowered and ridiculously expensive, the bastard child of bureaucratic meddling and environmental cluelessness. What makes a marginally-intelligent, incredibly naive community organizer so full of himself that he thinks he can dictate what kind of car Americans ought to drive?
Jake - President Obama made the tough and politically unpopular decision to extend emergency rescue loans to the American auto industry, saving more than 1.4 million jobs and preventing the loss of over $96 billion in personal income—and the collapse of manufacturing in the Midwest. GM and Chrysler were required to cut labor costs and overhaul their business models in exchange for emergency loans, guaranteeing their accountability to taxpayers—and both repaid their outstanding loans years ahead of schedule. Today, the Big Three (Chrysler, GM, and Ford) are all profitable for the first time in years, adding shifts and facilities across the country. The industry has added 200,000 jobs in the last two-and-a-half years, and GM is once again the top-selling automaker in the world—posting its largest-ever annual profit in 2011.
ReplyDeleteJake - Bailout money. If Obama forgave it, what makes you think we'll get it back?
ReplyDeleteJake - The Volt. Yea, it's expensive, I'll give you that. Dangerous? I doubt it. It did win car of the year, and I just recieved my latest copy of Consumer Reports. The Volt is one of their recomended cars to buy. But look at the way you posed the question, Jake. You obviously have a lot of anger.
ReplyDeleteBob,
ReplyDeletePut down your MSDNC playbook and skip the psychobabble.
And don't mix Ford up with those other two freeloaders. They're profitable at no cost to the taxpayers, which raises serious doubts as to whether the bailouts were even necessary.
How hard is it to turn a profit when the government gives you the money and then forgives the debt? Fiat sure appreciates our money.
There was nothing "tough or politically unpopular" about Obama's bailout. The UAW is Obama's union base. He was just throwing more of our money to his corrupt cronies.
These bailouts were a sad chapter in American history. Like Solyndra, Keystone Pipeline and all the Obamacare waivers, you cannot have the government deciding to reward their business friends with our tax dollars.
Well Jake, if you worked for GM you would probably be singing a different tune. And if Obama had decided to let GM go under, you would also be singing a different tune. I guess you would have preferred to see over a million more people out of work, collecting unemployment and using food stamps. Because you know damn well that's what would have happened.
ReplyDeleteJake -"you cannot have the government deciding to reward their business friends with our tax dollars" Like Halliburton?
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ReplyDeleteBob,
ReplyDeleteAccording to you, President Bush was evil incarnate.
Now it's just fine for your "hope and change" shyster to act the same way.
It must be convenient to have selective amnesia to go with your partisan moral outrage.
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ReplyDeleteJake - Its obvious that Bush will go down in history as one of the nations worst presidents for his invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation. And yet he's probably one of your heros. Can you name anything that Obama has done that you like?
ReplyDeleteYour hatred of the man blinds you to fact, Bob.
ReplyDeleteThat 'sovereign' nation, run by a dictator and his bloodlusted children, never stopped being at war with us after Gulf1. They took shots at our pilots and aircrew enforcing the no-fly zone a few times every week. They ignored the UN resolutions for transparency in their nuclear program. You blame Bush. I blame the UN for forcing us to do what they didn't want to, being complicit and lining their pockets in illegal oil-for-food deals like Kofi's kid. You say we went to Iraq on a lie. I say we went because it needed to be done.
There were mistakes made in Iraq. The mistakes of Iraq were it's timing and the dissolution of it's military when Baghdad fell. Whoever was responsible for the post-invasion stabilization failed all of us.
Don't lecture people about that 'sovereign nation' unless you've actually been there. I have, and I will call you on it every time you bring it up.
Squirrel - Let's get something straight here. You're not the only one on here that's served in the military, so try not to allow your service to cloud your perception of reality. Iraq was a sovereign nation. Look it up. Sadam was a powerful bad guy, but he became a powerful bad guy with our help. Look it up. Iraq was contained and impotent. The country was devestated by sanctions. Look it up. We were sold a bill of goods by the Bush adm. called weapons of mass destruction based on lies, cherry picked intel., and a not so reliable source nicknamed Curve Ball, He was a cousin of Chalabi who German officials warned was an unreliable source. It's not like we weren't warned. Joe Wilson, Hans Blix, Ridder, Bob Graham. Inspectors were actively working in Iraq prior to the invasion, and if memory serves, were given 48 hrs. by the US to leave. Nicholson said it best "you can't handle the truth." Write back when you locate the WMD's.
ReplyDeleteYou can put your cape down, Captain Hindsight, your predictability made it easy to type 1/2 of this before I even read your response.
ReplyDeleteYou speak of cherry picking of fact, while you do the same. The simple FACT of it all is that Iraq had WMD and used it & it couldn't be established that it still existed or not by the left's beloved UN, so it's funny/sad you mention Blix as a pillar of your point. He wanted more time to look because he didn't know, not that it didn't exist. Don't try to create a diversion from my points with a halfassed history lesson that I already know. I already stated that I didn't like the timing, nor the transition, but I'll support the mission based on the ENTIRE list of reasons that it happened. WMD was a main reason, yes, but you ignore the other reasons. How about Saddam's safe haven policy for his terrorist friends, like Abu Nidal? How about the regime's torture and murder of it's own people? We went to Bosnia and Kosovo for the same reasons, so how can that not be considered? Oh, wait... Cliton put us there so it's excusable.
I'm guessing you'll say that Libya was a real threat, immune from being "contained and impotent"? How did that one work out for us? Will you blame Bush for the thousands of shoulder fired SAMs 'lost' in Libya suddenly begin taking down our civilian or military aircraft?
Is Iran containable? How about Syria? You'll blindly support BO if he initiates military action against either of them. Why? Because you're a blind leftist loyalist... nothing more. At least I can spread my criticisms around, regardless of party.
I originally had you figured as a level headed opposite point of view from me that could be debated with a level of maturity. What I found was a child-like drone that will parrot the party line and always has to have the last word.
I also would thank you for your service but re-reading your 1st point, I can't determine if you actually served. Since your credibility is now null, I won't...
Go ahead and have the last word, Bob. It's inevitable that you'll take it. It's in your nature.
Squirrel - LOL ! Nice tirade. But thanks for giving me the last word. You write "Don't lecture people about that 'sovereign nation' unless you've actually been there." For you to assume that one has to have actually been to a place before commenting on it is hilarious. You've been to Iran? Lybia? Syria? Oh, and Iraq had WMD? Really? Now I know why you're known as the Squirrel.
ReplyDeleteKudos Squirrel,
ReplyDeleteI think "Captain Hindsight" is going to stick.
Jake - In motherland, you big Pizda!
ReplyDeleteAye-Aye, Captain.
ReplyDeleteI don't want to sound paranoid or anything, but I'm starting to feel like I'm not well liked on Spencerblog. I might have to double up on my replies.
ReplyDeleteVery astute observation, Bob.
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ReplyDeleteCharlie - Thanks for the compliment. I originally had Squirrel figured as a dick. I was right.
ReplyDeleteCaptain Hindsight
Thanks for the compliment. I'd rather be a dick than a delusional ahole with nothing better to do than to troll a conservative blog.
ReplyDeleteGo ahead and have the last word, Squirrel. It's inevitable that you'll take it. It's in your nature.
ReplyDeleteLOL
Well played.
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