1776 founding of the U.S.- Liberty! 1863 the end of slavery in the U.S. _ or was it? The founding of the commercial prison/ sharecropping system. Lynching. Jim Crow. Segregation in the Armed Forces. Separate But Equal. Long-term discrimination and hatred. The Civil Rights Movem't. Police brutality. Etc. Shall I go on? You people pretend to be smart- you do the math,
You are right on, Jake. Why should the Obama administration, which is in full "re-elect" mode, move the nation forward when there is so much benefit [as in another four years] to being a victim?
Sorry, not waiting 300 years for anyone. That's a total cop-out. Prove you are equal by standing on your own 2 feet!! I am tired of being the crutch for many who don't need it. I wasn't born in 1863, I didn't own slaves. My family got here about 1907 best as I can tell. The Irish had their haters along the way, but we integrated. Why are you bringing up southern issues here in a PA Blog?
why is it that the beneficiaries of a corrupt and morally bankrupt society never see anything wrong with that system? And the tired refrains 'my family didn't own slaves' and 'my family didn't come to the U.S. until after slavery ended' is just another sorry attempt to claim one's hands are clean,when in all actuality you and yours still unjustly benefited from the total exclusion and oppression of others. And as for bringing up a" southern issue"- hate and other evil activities were practiced throughout this great country of OURS, and at all times,including the present.
Danny, you might have issues with the current state of affairs, but keep in mind that your Irish ancesters integrated because they were allowed to integrate. The first black slaves were brought here in 1619. Segregation of blacks lasted in parts of this country until 1965. Thats only 47 yrs ago. Not 300. Its really not fair to compare the Irish American experience to the Black American experience. Not even close. Read Ethnic America by THomas Sowell.
I refuse to prove I am equal to anyone when it comes to murder,rape,kidnapping, pedophilia, grand theft, genocide, lying, hypocrisy, war crimes and crimes against humanity, esp. under the guise of spreading Christianity and civilization
For there to be any question of" permanent white guilt', one has to first recognize and admit that pervasive and long term injustices, gross impositions and violations were committed in the first place-something this country continues to refuse to do
Steve - Do you honestly believe that any comparison of the Irish- American experience to that of the African-American experience is legit? You know better than that. I don't believe in permanent white guilt any more than the next guy, but at the same time, I'm not going to ignore historical fact or let someone get away with rediculous comparisons.
I am not comparing Irish history with black history. But scapegoating and race baiting is now allowed? The fact that the English were more genteel while they starved my family out of Ireland is similar, we just served different masters. We were not sold by our chiefs to come here, that is true, we came here to survive starvation at the hands of the English establishment at the time. Slavery and being reigned are very similar in their histories. How we integrated was we started businesses and protected each other until we merged into society!
No one sold us, Bob, but we were definitely shown the door. My grandmother had to change her name to get a job as a maid in NY. The English would not hire Irish and the girls adopted English surnames. Agnes O'Hara became Bridget Best.
Danny, you said the Irish had their haters, but they integrated. The point being that the Irish were accepted and allowed to integrate. You point out that your grandmother had to change her name to fit in. But a man can not change the color of his skin. And that is the weakness in your argument. You believe that after 300 yrs, they should have integrated into our society just like your Irish ancestors. The truth of the matter is that more often than not, they weren't allowed to. To the point where laws had to be passed in the 60's to guarantee them the same rights that your Irish ancestors had under the constitution.
OK, I will agree they could not change the color of their skin. But I believe they have people in the their midst, like Sharpton, Jackson, Farrakhan and others that want to profit from the perception that it still exists. Now I am going to go downstairs and watch Grand Torino.
I think that movie explains integration pretty well!!
there is no racism, it's just pure hate
ReplyDeleteYup, this video says it all! But I am white, therefore I must be racist.
ReplyDeleteFast and loose. Kind of like how he plays with the so-called facts. Kind of like he draws his conclusions.
ReplyDeleteI won't tag him as a racist, but I will tag him as a t-bagger
ReplyDelete1776 founding of the U.S.- Liberty! 1863
ReplyDeletethe end of slavery in the U.S. _ or was it? The founding of the commercial prison/ sharecropping system. Lynching. Jim Crow. Segregation in the Armed Forces. Separate But Equal. Long-term discrimination and hatred. The Civil Rights Movem't. Police brutality. Etc. Shall I go on? You people pretend to be smart- you do the math,
You gotta love Anonymous' rhetorical excess in response to these accurate and thoughtful video observations.
ReplyDeleteHe pretty much reiterates all the questions raised about the Attorney General and his genuine desire for racial "dialogue".
Why move the nation forward when there is so much benefit to being a victim?
You are right on, Jake. Why should the Obama administration, which is in full "re-elect" mode, move the nation forward when there is so much benefit [as in another four years] to being a victim?
ReplyDeleteLet me get a 300 year head-start on you and then tell you to "catch up". And as
ReplyDeletefor being a "victim" - never. I give as
much as I take.
Sorry, not waiting 300 years for anyone. That's a total cop-out. Prove you are equal by standing on your own 2 feet!! I am tired of being the crutch for many who don't need it.
ReplyDeleteI wasn't born in 1863, I didn't own slaves. My family got here about 1907 best as I can tell. The Irish had their haters along the way, but we integrated. Why are you bringing up southern issues here in a PA Blog?
why is it that the beneficiaries of a corrupt and morally bankrupt society never see
ReplyDeleteanything wrong with that system? And the tired refrains 'my family didn't own slaves'
and 'my family didn't come to the U.S.
until after slavery ended' is just another sorry attempt to claim one's hands are clean,when in all actuality you and yours still unjustly benefited from the total
exclusion and oppression of others. And as for bringing up a" southern issue"- hate and other evil activities were practiced throughout this great country of OURS, and at all times,including the present.
Danny, you might have issues with the current state of affairs, but keep in mind that your Irish ancesters integrated because they were allowed to integrate. The first black slaves were brought here in 1619. Segregation of blacks lasted in parts of this country until 1965. Thats only 47 yrs ago. Not 300. Its really not fair to compare the Irish American experience to the Black American experience. Not even close. Read Ethnic America by THomas Sowell.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry, Bob, you're giving credence to permanent white guilt and a 'loophole' to any and every issue out there. unacceptable.
ReplyDeleteI refuse to prove I am equal to anyone when it comes to murder,rape,kidnapping, pedophilia,
ReplyDeletegrand theft, genocide, lying, hypocrisy, war crimes
and crimes against humanity, esp. under the guise of
spreading Christianity and civilization
For there to be any question of" permanent white guilt', one has to first recognize and admit that
ReplyDeletepervasive and long term injustices, gross impositions and violations were committed in the first place-something this country continues to refuse to do
Steve - Do you honestly believe that any comparison of the Irish- American experience to that of the African-American experience is legit? You know better than that. I don't believe in permanent white guilt any more than the next guy, but at the same time, I'm not going to ignore historical fact or let someone get away with rediculous comparisons.
ReplyDeleteI am not comparing Irish history with black history. But scapegoating and race baiting is now allowed?
ReplyDeleteThe fact that the English were more genteel while they starved my family out of Ireland is similar, we just served different masters. We were not sold by our chiefs to come here, that is true, we came here to survive starvation at the hands of the English establishment at the time. Slavery and being reigned are very similar in their histories.
How we integrated was we started businesses and protected each other until we merged into society!
No one sold us, Bob, but we were definitely shown the door. My grandmother had to change her name to get a job as a maid in NY. The English would not hire Irish and the girls adopted English surnames. Agnes O'Hara became Bridget Best.
Danny, you said the Irish had their haters, but they integrated. The point being that the Irish were accepted and allowed to integrate. You point out that your grandmother had to change her name to fit in. But a man can not change the color of his skin. And that is the weakness in your argument. You believe that after 300 yrs, they should have integrated into our society just like your Irish ancestors. The truth of the matter is that more often than not, they weren't allowed to. To the point where laws had to be passed in the 60's to guarantee them the same rights that your Irish ancestors had under the constitution.
ReplyDeleteOK, I will agree they could not change the color of their skin. But I believe they have people in the their midst, like Sharpton, Jackson, Farrakhan and others that want to profit from the perception that it still exists. Now I am going to go downstairs and watch Grand Torino.
ReplyDeleteI think that movie explains integration pretty well!!
Thanks Danny. That's all I was trying to get across to you. That you can't compare the two. I hope Steve is listening.
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