Dan Abrams interviews former AGs John Ashcroft and Alberto Gonzales about national security and "torture" in front of a college audience and finds the pickings not as easy as he thought.

It has become a standard trope of the left that when a former Bush administration official is asked his opinion on these matters, to childishly shout "Who cares what these people say?"

It turns out a lot of people do. And for good reason.