Wednesday, February 1, 2012

Dear Joe

Former Congressman Joe Sestak isn't going to run for his old House seat. So what is he running for? My print column is up.



Blogger Bob Bohne said...

Gil - Sounds to me like someone feel's a little peeved. Maybe Joe's just too busy to get back to you right now. This column sounds a little mean spirited and a lot strange. And what's with the bizarre comment that Sestak would be called a racist if he ran against the first African-American president? What made you even want to go there?

February 1, 2012 at 10:12 AM 
Blogger jake said...

I hope the Democrats nominate this liberal carpetbagger.
His big ego, big government agenda is the perfect recipe for conservative victory during this Obama recession.

February 1, 2012 at 10:53 AM 
Blogger jake said...

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February 1, 2012 at 10:54 AM 
Blogger Dannytheman said...

I spent a lot of time working for Toomey to make sure he lost. I put in real money. He is BIG government, nanny stating politician.
He is one of a small handful of ex military that are strongly anti 2nd amendment. When you raise your hand to take the oath to uphold the Constitution, I expect you to do just that. (Not a distorted veiw of easy reading)

February 1, 2012 at 11:42 AM 
Blogger Dannytheman said...

It's winter. The elites can do that!

February 1, 2012 at 11:44 AM 
Blogger Bob Bohne said...

Gil - I wonder why "ol what's his name" isn't accusing you of race baiting.

February 1, 2012 at 12:21 PM 
Blogger Bob Bohne said...

Danny - Do you have any record of Sestak saying that he was or is opposed to the second amendment?

February 1, 2012 at 1:53 PM 
Blogger Dannytheman said...

Sestak supports gun control and has a 100% rating from the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence and an F rating from the National Rifle Association.

Sestak has called for the reinstatement of the federal ban on assault weapons.

"Congressman Sestak has consistently stood for sensible gun control. He supported the Gun Show Loophole Closing Act of 2007 and, in May, voted against an amendment that overturned President Reagan’s regulation prohibiting loaded guns in National Parks. Senator Specter has long been on the side of the gun lobby, having voted against the Brady Bill as well as legislation to require criminal background checks at gun shows. That’s why Congressman Sestak earned the endorsements of the Brady Campaign and Mayor Michael Bloomberg, Co-Chair of Mayors Against Illegal Guns, while Senator Specter did not, instead earning an “A” from the National Rifle Association."

You know us Pennsylvanians, clinging to our Gun and our Religion!

February 1, 2012 at 2:10 PM 
Blogger Bob Bohne said...

Danny - Did he ever go on record as being against, or anti second amendment?

February 1, 2012 at 2:22 PM 
Blogger Dannytheman said...

No, nothing I recall. But his votes speak plenty. He voted with the Brady Bunch on any Anti Gun bills.
He was the GD Co-Sponsor of the bill to reinstate the assault weapons bill. Does he have to actually say it? I bet I can dig up a quote of him saying he supports the 2nd amendment if I look hard enough. But actions speak louder than words in his case.
He gets the perfect Liberal Voting award.

He didn't probably understand the word "Infringe."

February 1, 2012 at 2:47 PM 
Blogger Dannytheman said...

Go here Bob.

It shows what he says, and what it meant.

February 1, 2012 at 2:50 PM 
Blogger steve mcdonald said...

He lives in Virginia - why would we want him as our rep?

February 1, 2012 at 3:19 PM 
Blogger Bob Bohne said...

Danny - I'm all for the second amendment. I would stand next to you if anyone ever threatened to repeal it. You can be pro second amendment and still be for gun control.

February 1, 2012 at 3:23 PM 
Anonymous Rus said...

Wow. You guys have taken a funny, rather tongue in cheek article, and made major cases out of it.

Race - yes Gil introduced that and it might have been in questionable taste, but it was needed for the humor. The apostle Peter understood equality in recognizing the Gentiles 2000 years ago. Even earlier, race was not an issue in Solomon and Sheba, Sheba arguably may have been Negroid. Today, we should all understand equal opportunity and rights.

2nd amendment? I guess that is introduced by an aversion to Sestak's record. Every time I try to find factual evidence, it becomes obscured by the voluminous content on the internet. But, it seems apparent that the Japanese after bombing Pearl Harbor had no intention of finishing the job by invading our west coast. They were essentially afraid of all of the weapons the citizenry had. So, while I do not own a gun, it is a right that must be protected.

February 1, 2012 at 3:30 PM 
Blogger Bob Bohne said...

Rus _ I agree with the right of gun ownership, but don't you believe there are limitations?

You thought the column was funny?
Haha funny or odd funny? And I disagree. Gil could easily have left the race statement out of the column, and it wouldn't have mattered.

February 1, 2012 at 4:30 PM 
Blogger Dannytheman said...

No limitations with law abiding folks. That is how I see it!

February 1, 2012 at 4:53 PM 
Anonymous Rus said...

Bob, I did think it was tongue in cheek funny, and I also said that the race reference may have been questionable, but it added to the levity.

I will not have guns in my house. My brother in law had a rifle that he used for hunting years ago. When he needed to move in with us almost 2 years ago, we locked it in the garage - only entrance was exterior garage door. I have 6 grandchildren and I don't want any accidents. That arrangement lasted less than a week until he got a storage bin for his stuff.

That said, I cannot impose my judgements on others. If he wants a rifle so be it. If someone wants an automatic weapon and is willing to use it in sport, that is fine. If it is used to hurt someone, then that person needs to be punished. Don't deny me my rights because someone cannot ontrol their actions. Reminds me of prohibition.

February 1, 2012 at 4:58 PM 
Anonymous Rus said...

* control

February 1, 2012 at 5:02 PM 
Anonymous Rus said...

Gil, am I wrong? Didn't you write this with your tongue in cheek? I read it in print and was laughing half way through to the end. You didn't really go to his house, did you?

February 1, 2012 at 5:04 PM 
Blogger Bob Bohne said...

Rus - So your OK with the sale and private ownership of rocket propelled grenades?

February 1, 2012 at 10:38 PM 
Blogger Bob Bohne said...

You're - apologies to Gil

February 2, 2012 at 6:03 AM 
Blogger steve mcdonald said...

Bob, you've seen recent fire fights with rocket propelled grenades to concern you?

February 2, 2012 at 8:27 AM 
Blogger Bob Bohne said...

Danny - You made the statement that Sestak was anti second amendment, and then it looks like you deleted that post after I caled you on it. It's interesting that you would send me to a web site that contradicts your claim about Sestak. The writer quotes Sestak as saying "I am a proponent of second amendment rights"

February 2, 2012 at 9:43 AM 
Blogger Bob Bohne said...

Steve - I didn't think my point was that difficult to understand. I was making the point that it's reasonable to be pro second amendment and still support certain measures to regulate the purchasing process and ownership of weapons.

February 2, 2012 at 9:57 AM 
Blogger steve mcdonald said...

but you didn't answer my question. if you're going to try to cite examples as you do for most issues on this blog you need to be clear. So again, have you seen issues with people owning these weapons? Please cite stories if possible.

February 2, 2012 at 9:59 AM 
Blogger jake said...

The only deletion on this stream of comments was mine.

February 2, 2012 at 10:30 AM 
Blogger Bob Bohne said...

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February 2, 2012 at 10:36 AM 
Blogger Bob Bohne said...

Danny - My apologies. I did find the comment where you claim Sestak is anti second amendment.

February 2, 2012 at 10:41 AM 
Blogger Bob Bohne said...

Steve - You don't hear of issues involving RPG's. THAT's the point! They aren't readily available, and if you find one, there are regulations and restrictions on the purchase. I think it's called a level 2 firearm. Danny would know more about that than I would.
Would you like to see regulations lifted on RPG's to make them readily available to the public?

February 2, 2012 at 10:55 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry, Danny, but theproblem with guns is the inner cities. The right to bear arms is quiteoutdated. If you feel unsafe where you live, move. If you believe that a bunch of terrorists are going to invaid your home,thenyou need an assult rifle.

February 2, 2012 at 11:00 AM 
Blogger Dannytheman said...

I have no fear of any law abiding folks owning anything. If the rules for use are followed, and they remain law abiding, I have no issues with anyone owning anything.

Anon, the problem with the inner city, as I see it, is that the cities, have more laws to keep law abiding folks disarmed, and the criminals will always have guns.

More training locations with target shooting and training in the city would be a good start.

There are no legal guns in Washington DC, New York City, Chicago and Boston. Go look at the gun crime stats in those cities! You will see that lack of legal guns reflect almost directly to higher gun use by criminals.

A armed society is a polite society!

February 2, 2012 at 11:14 AM 
Blogger Bob Bohne said...

Danny - Again, I have no problem with law abiding citizens owning guns. I've often considered buying one for myself. But certain laws and restrictions have merit. I remember not to long ago reading a story in the City Paper about straw buying. A person with no criminal record purchasing large quantities of hand guns, and then selling them on the street. You would probably argue that a person without a criminal record should be allowed to purchase as many guns as they can afford. I have a problem with that, because these guns inevitably end up in the hands of criminals.

February 2, 2012 at 11:30 AM 
Blogger Bob Bohne said...

Jake - Thanks for pointing that out to me.

February 2, 2012 at 12:10 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Short and sweet, if you feelunsafe in your home and a gun will make you feeel better so be it. Buton the street if someone has the bead on you in your face, the chances of you going for your pistol are more than slim. In other words you are dead

February 2, 2012 at 8:53 PM 
Blogger Bob Bohne said...

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February 3, 2012 at 7:53 AM 
Blogger Bob Bohne said...

ATTN. Fellow Spencerblog participants - You've probably noticed that as of this posting, Mr. Spencer has been MIA. There is a good reason for this. Syndicated columnist and frequent MSNBC talk show contribute, Dan Savage, will be taking a leave of absence from his column to assist in the preparation of the wedding of his good friend, US. Rep. Barney Frank. Mr. Spencer has happily agreed to temporarily take over, and write Dan's column "Savage Love" and will continue to do so until Dan's return. Interested readers can view Mr. Spencers trial run by reading his column on page 6 of today's Daily Times "It's your choice to be gay or straight"

February 3, 2012 at 7:56 AM 
Blogger Dannytheman said...

Getting back to the discussion at hand.
"But on the street if someone has the bead on you, in your face, the chances of you going for your pistol are more than slim. In other words you are dead."

Why would I ever let that happen? Please do not post ignorant things like this hear. Come over to my blog and look at the 100's of self defense, in the street, newspaper accounts I have posted. It is estimated that 1000s of times a gun solves issues because the pulling of a gun is enough. I have the credentials and knowledge to know you have none.

As to Bob's comment on Straw purchases? That is an illegal act already. There are good laws on the books against Straw Purchasing which I support wholeheartedly. So again, back to being law abiding, if I am law abiding, based on current laws, anyone should be able to have anything, right?
If the FBI runs my information through the criminal database, and I come up with zero issues, I should have access to whatever I want. (And no I am not talking Bombs or grenades, I am strictly talking firearms. (I would have to pay yearly, be fingerprinted and photo'd to own bombs and grenades.)

February 3, 2012 at 9:50 AM 
Blogger Bob Bohne said...

Danny - Yes there are some good laws on the books, but the ATF is so understaffed that they have a hard time enforcing those laws. A good example is the case that closed Collisimos on Spring Garden. It took them years to close that place down. They were a major supplier of hand guns sold straw dealers. Would you have a problem with limiting the amount of handguns that a person can purchase?

February 3, 2012 at 11:28 AM 
Blogger Dannytheman said...

50,000 gun specific laws are already there Bob. How many do you think we need. We need DAs to use those laws and prosecute those laws. People Straw buying need to be prosecuted. Plain and simple.

And no, how many guns I own is no ones business but mine, and my insurance companies. Let's see, 5 Shotguns. One for Trap, another for Skeet, one for hunting geese, one for rabbit/turkey and one for home security. Rifles, 11? 4 for small game(there is a difference between squirrel and ground hogs, 3 for target, 2 for deer, 1 for bear/hog, 1 for plinking cans.
Pistols? One for each day of the week? Do I have to include my wifes?

Just for the record, this is not my ownership, just reasons why people have more than one. When you understand gun use and actually shoot often, you learn.
Bob, I would be happy to take you shooting. Anytime!!

February 3, 2012 at 1:03 PM 
Blogger Bob Bohne said...

Danny - I might take you up on that. Like I've always said, I'm a supporter of the second amendment, and I believe that one of the worst things this country could possibly do would be to repeal the second. But I also believe you can support the 2nd amendment and and believe in the need for laws governing ownership.

February 3, 2012 at 1:19 PM 
Blogger Dannytheman said...

I don't want the government telling me what I can and can not own, Bob. I lawfully abide by the IMHO overzealous laws they currently have enacted, all 50,000 of them. I will share with you the book that has become PAs gun laws. That is the difference between Democrats and Republicans. The Dems run a nanny state. THEY tell you what you can do.
The Elepahnts tell you that you can do it, and then tax it.
Both parties suck equally!

February 3, 2012 at 2:40 PM 
Anonymous Rus said...

Danny, I went hunting twice using borrowed shot gun for small game and rifle for deer. I enjoyed the small game and actually came home with a pheasant. Turns out I scared it into a wire and it was knocked out. There were no pellets in the body.

Deer hunting was different and I think only because of the company. We were sitting in the car and when we saw deer we got out and moved the necessary distance to try shooting. I didn't like that.

Both were in 1970, so it has been awhile.

Of course, I like hiking so that made for the small game enjoyment. I would consider hunting again with a rented or borrowed gun. Maybe after I retire, hopefully in about a year.

Safety is always on my mind and particularly when handling dangerous equipment. Electric tools, knives, guns. Always have to be careful. I said earlier that I won't own a gun because I am afraid with the grandchildren.

Bob, I don't know that I can be opposed to laws restricting availability. There are all kinds of laws that take away our freedoms. A kid can die for his country and not be allowed a beer. I don't get that one at all. And congress is going to continue passing laws that I don't agree with. But it still doesn't entitle me to impose my ideas on others. I doubt I would make a very good legislator because of that.

February 3, 2012 at 3:08 PM 
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